Why did Obsession (2026) become one of the biggest horror success stories of the year? In this episode of The Physical Cut, Krloz is joined by special guest John (Spky_Szn95) to break down the unexpected rise of Cory Barker's breakout indie horror film and why audiences can't stop talking about it.
Together, they explore how a film made for under $1 million became a box office phenomenon through word of mouth, social media, and passionate horror fans. Is Obsession simply the most talked-about horror movie of 2026, or has it already earned cult classic status?
The conversation covers the film's psychological horror, atmosphere, cinematography, performances, marketing strategy, collector appeal, and the growing importance of original independent horror in a franchise-driven industry. They also discuss physical media, the upcoming 4K release, and why movies like Obsession prove collectors and horror fans can help shape a film's legacy.
The episode concludes with a special transition into The Physical Cut's year-long celebration of the 30th anniversary of Scream, where Krloz and John reflect on what Wes Craven's classic means to horror fans and collectors nearly three decades later.
In This Episode
- Why Obsession (2026) became a surprise horror phenomenon
- Can word of mouth outperform million-dollar marketing campaigns?
- Psychological horror vs. modern franchise horror
- Cory Barker's breakout success
- The performances of Indy Navarrette and Michael Johnston
- Horror collecting and the upcoming Obsession 4K release
- Why physical media still matters
- Is Obsession the next cult classic?
- Celebrating 30 Years of Scream
- Favorite Ghostface killers and the legacy of Wes Craven
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 He makes that phone call. He makes the phone
00:00:02 --> 00:00:03 call and the first thing he said and they're
00:00:03 --> 00:00:05 like, you want to cancel a wish? And he's like,
00:00:05 --> 00:00:07 nah. He's like, is there any way to just like
00:00:07 --> 00:00:09 change this a little bit? Like everything's fine.
00:00:22 --> 00:00:24 Welcome back to the physical cut where films
00:00:24 --> 00:00:26 live beyond the stream. I'm Carlos and today
00:00:26 --> 00:00:28 we're talking about one of the biggest horror
00:00:28 --> 00:00:32 surprises of the year. That is obsession. Some
00:00:32 --> 00:00:35 films are expected to be hits. Others come out
00:00:35 --> 00:00:37 of nowhere and completely take over the conversation.
00:00:38 --> 00:00:40 And obsession took over the conversation big
00:00:40 --> 00:00:42 time. And today we're going to be looking at
00:00:42 --> 00:00:45 audiences and why they can't stop talking about
00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 it. Joining me is John, better known as spooky
00:00:48 --> 00:00:52 season. John, welcome back to the show. Absolutely,
00:00:52 --> 00:00:54 man. Thank you for inviting me back. I'm very
00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 excited to talk about Obsession and the other
00:00:57 --> 00:01:02 horror gems that we have this year. It's been
00:01:02 --> 00:01:05 a year for horror, to be honest. It's been quite
00:01:05 --> 00:01:10 a year. Some flops, some sleeper hits, other
00:01:10 --> 00:01:12 questionable hits, but we're not getting into
00:01:12 --> 00:01:14 those on this episode, but I've been wanting
00:01:14 --> 00:01:17 to talk about Obsession for a while now. I was
00:01:17 --> 00:01:18 waiting for you to watch it because I wanted
00:01:18 --> 00:01:21 your opinion on that. I really want a big horror
00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 persona to tell me what I might be missing if
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 the audiences are right, if the critics are right,
00:01:28 --> 00:01:30 but... Why do you think people are talking about
00:01:30 --> 00:01:35 obsession so much? Uh, I think it's a multifaceted
00:01:35 --> 00:01:39 thing. I think, for one, I genuinely do believe
00:01:39 --> 00:01:43 that the movie is very well done. The way it's
00:01:43 --> 00:01:48 shot, the score of the film, the acting in the
00:01:48 --> 00:01:52 film, especially the Indy Neverett, I believe
00:01:52 --> 00:01:55 her name is, her acting, and even the gentleman
00:01:55 --> 00:01:58 who plays Bear. I think... everything altogether
00:01:58 --> 00:02:02 including the fact that because it's such a small
00:02:02 --> 00:02:06 like indie film I think there's like this this
00:02:06 --> 00:02:09 push behind it to kind of be like you know I
00:02:09 --> 00:02:12 think a lot of people are tired of the same old
00:02:12 --> 00:02:15 from from Hollywood and it's always like sequels
00:02:15 --> 00:02:19 or remakes or whatever to have an original film
00:02:19 --> 00:02:23 come out and actually be very good I think a
00:02:23 --> 00:02:27 lot of Horror fans are almost like very hungry
00:02:27 --> 00:02:30 for that So knowing that it was good knowing
00:02:30 --> 00:02:32 that it was made by in like an indie director
00:02:32 --> 00:02:34 and an indie team I think there was this huge
00:02:34 --> 00:02:38 push to get this movie to like Keep going and
00:02:38 --> 00:02:42 strive for more and more to be honest I feel
00:02:42 --> 00:02:45 like there's not a lot of people left in the
00:02:45 --> 00:02:47 world that do not know about obsession But sometimes
00:02:47 --> 00:02:50 I love going into which I really do anymore,
00:02:50 --> 00:02:53 but I love reading their their descriptions on
00:02:53 --> 00:02:56 the film. Obviously, this is a film by Kurt Baker.
00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 So I guess a lot of young people know him from
00:02:59 --> 00:03:01 from YouTube. And it's a small cast. You know,
00:03:01 --> 00:03:03 you got Michael Johnston, Home is Bear, Andy
00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 Navarrete, who's Nikki. Then you got Cooper Tomlinson.
00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 I know I know Cooper before I seen him before.
00:03:09 --> 00:03:12 I can't pinpoint right now, but he was actually
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 a pretty good one in the movie. And then you
00:03:14 --> 00:03:17 got as well, Megan Lawless. It's a small cast
00:03:17 --> 00:03:20 of four. It's a very simple premise, you know
00:03:20 --> 00:03:22 after breaking the mysterious one which willow
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 to win his crush's heart a hopeless romantic
00:03:25 --> 00:03:28 Find himself getting exactly what he asked for
00:03:28 --> 00:03:31 but soon discover that some desires come at a
00:03:31 --> 00:03:35 dark sinister price Very simple premise. I feel
00:03:35 --> 00:03:38 like these kind of premises have been done before
00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 Have they worked? Not as good as this, you know,
00:03:41 --> 00:03:44 sometimes a simple premise could have a lot of
00:03:44 --> 00:03:48 a lot of holes but Do at least for this film
00:03:48 --> 00:03:51 because you know, we've had other end of films
00:03:51 --> 00:03:54 this year like undertone and and backrooms but
00:03:54 --> 00:04:00 I feel like word -of -mouth has not been as as
00:04:00 --> 00:04:04 hard for those as much as it was for this one
00:04:04 --> 00:04:07 and Word -of -mouth do you think like right now
00:04:07 --> 00:04:11 especially in a social media time that we live
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 in it's word -of -mouth more valuable than a
00:04:14 --> 00:04:18 giant marketing campaign. Absolutely. And I'll
00:04:18 --> 00:04:21 tell you why. One of the reasons that obsession
00:04:21 --> 00:04:27 is doing or did do so well is that from the online
00:04:27 --> 00:04:31 perspective, there are so many memeable moments
00:04:31 --> 00:04:36 in that movie that it was like wildfire. Like
00:04:36 --> 00:04:39 everybody's talking about obsession. Everybody's
00:04:39 --> 00:04:41 making memes about like, you know, when she makes
00:04:41 --> 00:04:44 like the frown fit frowny face. Everybody's making
00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 memes about it and talking about it So it's almost
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 like if you didn't watch it or if you don't watch
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 it, you're not part of like an inside Joke that
00:04:52 --> 00:04:54 everybody knows about that. You're kind of left
00:04:54 --> 00:04:57 out because you you didn't see it So I feel like
00:04:57 --> 00:05:00 that word of mouth and the idea of it being such
00:05:00 --> 00:05:04 a such a big thing online Made it like pushed
00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 people to be like I gotta I gotta watch this
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 movie Like I got to see why is everybody losing
00:05:09 --> 00:05:11 their minds over this movie? And it really did,
00:05:11 --> 00:05:14 I think, push it to be like, I mean, it made
00:05:14 --> 00:05:16 more money than the first weekend in the second
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 weekend. Then it made more money again in the
00:05:19 --> 00:05:22 third weekend. And then, like, for a movie, was
00:05:22 --> 00:05:27 it $750 budget? Yes. It's at $400 now, $400
00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 million. It's insane. It's insane how much money.
00:05:30 --> 00:05:34 But word of mouth and the meme -ability of that
00:05:34 --> 00:05:37 movie is what I think really pushed it. Yeah,
00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 I actually have I told you I was gonna be reading
00:05:40 --> 00:05:44 out some reddits I went on reddit Please somebody
00:05:44 --> 00:05:48 get me out of there But I did go on reddit and
00:05:48 --> 00:05:51 I asked some redditors which I believe that's
00:05:51 --> 00:05:53 how they're called and I asked them the question
00:05:53 --> 00:05:58 I was like is This film actually good obviously,
00:05:58 --> 00:06:01 you know you have the the film buffs and the
00:06:01 --> 00:06:04 horror buffs that they always try to find something
00:06:04 --> 00:06:06 bad because, you know, we're stuck at least for
00:06:06 --> 00:06:09 horror lovers. Some of them are more critical
00:06:09 --> 00:06:12 of this film than others. I guess because we're
00:06:12 --> 00:06:15 not in the classic kind of monster, you know,
00:06:15 --> 00:06:18 either Pennywise or Ghostface. You know, we kind
00:06:18 --> 00:06:20 of have to wrap our heads around. There's no
00:06:20 --> 00:06:24 real monster here. When you mentioned memes and
00:06:24 --> 00:06:29 the inside joke, and especially having Navarret's
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 indy's face become a meme i got this comment
00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 from this uh redditor i'm not gonna read these
00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 names because these names make no sense to me
00:06:37 --> 00:06:41 she wrote personally i identify with nicky very
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 much and seeing how she behaved while under the
00:06:44 --> 00:06:47 influence of the wish hit me really hard you
00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 know kind of sad face i have acted in similar
00:06:50 --> 00:06:54 ways before before because it felt like all I
00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 could do to keep things sorry the grammar is
00:06:57 --> 00:07:00 not the best here on reddit all I could do to
00:07:00 --> 00:07:03 keep things how they were bad I know I'm doing
00:07:03 --> 00:07:05 a lot better so the whole movie felt like I was
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 just watching myself and it was more terrifying
00:07:08 --> 00:07:10 than anything else I've ever seen so there's
00:07:10 --> 00:07:13 there's that as creepy as that sound there's
00:07:13 --> 00:07:16 that that take that some people relate to this
00:07:16 --> 00:07:20 film whether it's because they're younger, Gen
00:07:20 --> 00:07:23 Z -ers, and they live in social media, which
00:07:23 --> 00:07:27 this movie doesn't really have any social media
00:07:27 --> 00:07:31 in the film. These kids are talking to themselves
00:07:31 --> 00:07:33 the entire time. There's not, oh, I'm posting
00:07:33 --> 00:07:37 something here. It's not like that movie, Host,
00:07:37 --> 00:07:39 where you have people on cam the entire time
00:07:39 --> 00:07:42 or something like that. This is just kids talking
00:07:42 --> 00:07:46 to themselves. And I feel like... When people
00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 compare Gen Sears to Millennials and two other
00:07:48 --> 00:07:50 generations, they're like, oh, yeah, they don't
00:07:50 --> 00:07:52 talk to each other in person They're always on
00:07:52 --> 00:07:55 their phones this movie except when they're texting
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 each other. There's not a lot of technology so
00:07:58 --> 00:08:01 the fact that this generation this new generation
00:08:01 --> 00:08:05 is Associating themselves or seeing themselves
00:08:05 --> 00:08:09 in these characters I feel like that's probably
00:08:09 --> 00:08:14 part of the I would say the surprise of it being
00:08:14 --> 00:08:18 such a such a 2026 hit. I don't think it was
00:08:18 --> 00:08:20 a surprise that a lot of people expected. What
00:08:20 --> 00:08:22 do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, I definitely
00:08:22 --> 00:08:26 do not think anybody estimated that the movie
00:08:26 --> 00:08:29 was going to do this good, including everybody
00:08:29 --> 00:08:31 who was involved with the movie. I'm sure they're
00:08:31 --> 00:08:33 probably completely shocked. I mean, they make
00:08:33 --> 00:08:37 this small indie horror film that, you know,
00:08:37 --> 00:08:40 like I believe I heard in an interview like Indie
00:08:40 --> 00:08:42 Never End. said that you know for a year and
00:08:42 --> 00:08:44 a half after they filmed the movie she couldn't
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 even get work or something like that and it's
00:08:47 --> 00:08:49 like so none of them thought this was going to
00:08:49 --> 00:08:54 happen but I definitely feel as if the real world
00:08:54 --> 00:08:57 elements that are in the film is part of the
00:08:57 --> 00:09:01 appeal like like you said you know the uh the
00:09:01 --> 00:09:05 one person on reddit saying they kind of identified
00:09:05 --> 00:09:09 with indy's character with nicki but also i do
00:09:09 --> 00:09:14 think there is a probably a portion of guys who
00:09:14 --> 00:09:18 can relate partially to what Bear was going through
00:09:18 --> 00:09:21 in a way, too, up into a certain point, because
00:09:21 --> 00:09:25 Bear, at first, you know, he was okay, and then
00:09:25 --> 00:09:27 he started making really bad decisions. I do
00:09:27 --> 00:09:30 think that both sides can relate in a way, like,
00:09:31 --> 00:09:33 you know, with guys, you could be going through,
00:09:33 --> 00:09:36 like, a time of, like, loneliness, so you kind
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 of feel that feeling like... You know, you kind
00:09:40 --> 00:09:42 of connect with bear on the level that you know,
00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 he's probably Alone and you know, he's living
00:09:45 --> 00:09:48 in I believe his grandmother's house after his
00:09:48 --> 00:09:51 grandmother passed away So he's alone. He had
00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 his cat his Spoiler alert if you haven't seen
00:09:53 --> 00:09:57 the movie his cat dies and you know, he's going
00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 through that but then like you said somebody
00:09:59 --> 00:10:03 connecting with how Nikki under the wish was
00:10:03 --> 00:10:05 acting where they might have like I believe it's
00:10:05 --> 00:10:07 like an anxious attachment style in a relationship
00:10:07 --> 00:10:10 where they're like Constantly begging they wanted
00:10:10 --> 00:10:13 to make it work, but it's just not working. Yeah
00:10:13 --> 00:10:17 to piggyback on the spoilers If you haven't seen
00:10:17 --> 00:10:20 this movie and you're listening to my little
00:10:20 --> 00:10:24 podcast here Sadly, we're gonna keep it if we
00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 have to spoil to we're gonna spoil it You should
00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 have seen this movie at this point is gonna come
00:10:28 --> 00:10:30 out on 4k next week It's already on streaming
00:10:30 --> 00:10:33 but I really wanted to get this conversation
00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 because I've been wanting to get a lot of stuff
00:10:35 --> 00:10:40 off my chest and With this film, I feel like
00:10:40 --> 00:10:43 we've gotten so much horror franchises, you know,
00:10:44 --> 00:10:46 big budgets like Scream that everybody knows
00:10:46 --> 00:10:49 my thoughts on those. And last time we spoke,
00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 I told you that when I went to see Scream, there
00:10:51 --> 00:10:55 were about 20 people, including myself, and I
00:10:55 --> 00:10:59 counted them. And that was on premiere night.
00:10:59 --> 00:11:03 I went to see Obsession. I believe we went to
00:11:03 --> 00:11:07 see it a month and a half after. My theater was
00:11:07 --> 00:11:10 full. Like my theater was packed. There may be
00:11:10 --> 00:11:15 a few empty seats, but for a movie that came
00:11:15 --> 00:11:17 out a month and a half, which movies don't even
00:11:17 --> 00:11:19 last that long anymore in theaters, to be honest.
00:11:19 --> 00:11:22 And this is in 42nd Street, New York. This movie
00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 was still playing and it was still packed in
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 the middle of the day on a Saturday. You had
00:11:28 --> 00:11:30 a lot of young people there. You can tell who's
00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 seen it before. I wasn't too scared about it,
00:11:32 --> 00:11:36 but the people next to me and around us, they
00:11:36 --> 00:11:40 were reacting to the film at every moment. And
00:11:40 --> 00:11:44 I feel like smaller horror films lately have
00:11:44 --> 00:11:49 consistently outperformed expectations because
00:11:49 --> 00:11:53 again, you're giving us the same, you know, Hollywood
00:11:53 --> 00:11:57 slop of franchises that are not even well done
00:11:57 --> 00:11:58 at this point. It's just like, well, you know,
00:11:58 --> 00:12:00 this is going to sell, you know, we're going
00:12:00 --> 00:12:03 to put it out there and you're not even considering
00:12:03 --> 00:12:07 the audience anymore at this point. And I feel
00:12:07 --> 00:12:10 like horror fans, I don't know about other people,
00:12:10 --> 00:12:12 because I'm only talking about myself. This is
00:12:12 --> 00:12:16 my podcast is my opinion and your opinion. And
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 some other people might have different opinions
00:12:18 --> 00:12:21 than us. But I feel like some horror fans have
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 actively been searching for something completely
00:12:24 --> 00:12:28 different, better storytelling. And I feel like
00:12:28 --> 00:12:32 as much as holes in the script, this movie has.
00:12:32 --> 00:12:36 and backroom has and undertone has. I feel like
00:12:36 --> 00:12:40 there's still a little bit I would say originality
00:12:40 --> 00:12:44 to it. And that's what people go for because
00:12:44 --> 00:12:46 my undertone was packed as well. It wasn't the
00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 best movie, but it was still pretty packed and
00:12:48 --> 00:12:53 it was a low budget movie as well. Do you think
00:12:53 --> 00:12:57 that horror audiences are better at discovering
00:12:57 --> 00:13:02 original films than fans of other genres? I think,
00:13:02 --> 00:13:04 I don't know if I'd necessarily say that, but
00:13:04 --> 00:13:06 I would say I think horror fans are better at
00:13:06 --> 00:13:11 appreciating when something does come along and
00:13:11 --> 00:13:15 is original and is very well done. I think like
00:13:15 --> 00:13:19 the coolest thing about horror as a genre is
00:13:19 --> 00:13:25 unlike other genres of movies, horror is notorious
00:13:25 --> 00:13:28 for being able to have like a shoestring budget
00:13:28 --> 00:13:33 like nothing. and you come out with one of the
00:13:33 --> 00:13:36 best films of your generation or of a certain
00:13:36 --> 00:13:40 time period. You do not have to have a ton of
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 money to make a good, effective horror movie.
00:13:43 --> 00:13:46 And because of that, I also think the horror
00:13:46 --> 00:13:51 genre is naturally geared towards a better possibility
00:13:51 --> 00:13:56 of having a more original, a more unique type
00:13:56 --> 00:13:58 of film. There are certain genres that just don't
00:13:58 --> 00:14:02 play well unless you have a bigger budget. But
00:14:02 --> 00:14:04 once you get into these bigger budgets, then
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 you got studios involved and they're sticking
00:14:06 --> 00:14:09 their heads in what you're doing. I feel like
00:14:09 --> 00:14:11 that's also an issue with other genres versus
00:14:11 --> 00:14:15 the horror genre. I have another Redditor here
00:14:15 --> 00:14:18 who wrote, I mean, the budget was under one million.
00:14:18 --> 00:14:21 They did a phenomenal job with the budget. I
00:14:21 --> 00:14:24 do, however, and I love this guy's grammar. I
00:14:24 --> 00:14:27 agree with you. It's really overhyped. is a very
00:14:27 --> 00:14:29 well done movie in my opinion knowing that these
00:14:29 --> 00:14:34 are all up all up and comers he means the actors
00:14:34 --> 00:14:37 makes me even more excited about it but ultimately
00:14:37 --> 00:14:40 is not really that scary when he said about i
00:14:40 --> 00:14:41 agree with your opinion was another redditor
00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 who had commented you know that the movie wasn't
00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 necessarily the best but he did make some good
00:14:47 --> 00:14:50 points i took that one necessarily because like
00:14:50 --> 00:14:53 you said this is a movie from seven hundred thousand
00:14:53 --> 00:15:00 dollars That is now making 400 and counting and
00:15:00 --> 00:15:03 counting because This is the movie that I wanted
00:15:03 --> 00:15:07 to compare the possibility of this 4k Coming
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 out next week, and I'm not plugging the 4k I'm
00:15:09 --> 00:15:12 just excited for the 4k because I want to see
00:15:12 --> 00:15:14 some some scenes that people said don't look
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 too good on 4k But that just might be streaming
00:15:17 --> 00:15:19 because dreaming and at this it's not the same
00:15:19 --> 00:15:23 thing, but I feel like the sleeper hit that was
00:15:24 --> 00:15:28 kpop demon hunters I can only compare it to this
00:15:28 --> 00:15:31 when it comes to the disc because There's people
00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 who don't give a shit about physical media. They
00:15:34 --> 00:15:36 don't they're like, what's that? You know, I
00:15:36 --> 00:15:38 and you can talk to some kids, you know, and
00:15:38 --> 00:15:40 I'm by kids I mean Gen C or alpha or better whatever
00:15:40 --> 00:15:43 they call themselves But my thing is like you
00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 have some generation that is coming out Gen C
00:15:45 --> 00:15:49 is discovering physical media. Thank God, but
00:15:49 --> 00:15:51 Some other people that don't because of this
00:15:51 --> 00:15:55 movie coming out the same audiences and this
00:15:55 --> 00:15:58 small tangent here bothered me when a criterion
00:15:58 --> 00:16:01 bro because there's difference between people
00:16:01 --> 00:16:03 who love movies and collect criterions and some
00:16:03 --> 00:16:06 people who just gatekeep criterion one of them
00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 had commented oh so great we're gonna have the
00:16:09 --> 00:16:12 soccer moms now buying criterion because k -pop
00:16:12 --> 00:16:14 demon hunters is coming out i don't give a fuck
00:16:14 --> 00:16:18 who buys physical media I just want people to
00:16:18 --> 00:16:21 buy physical media. And if a soccer mom is buying
00:16:21 --> 00:16:23 K -pop Demon Hunters and you're so afraid it's
00:16:23 --> 00:16:27 gonna sell out, then buy it. Pre -order it. And
00:16:27 --> 00:16:30 pre -order it on Amazon at Barnes & Noble. If
00:16:30 --> 00:16:35 you're a fan or if you're a believer in physical
00:16:35 --> 00:16:37 media and you want it to succeed, you should
00:16:37 --> 00:16:41 want the soccer mom to buy it. You should want
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 every mother. Soccer mom, basketball mom, baseball
00:16:45 --> 00:16:48 mom. Every mom known to man, you should want
00:16:48 --> 00:16:51 to buy physical media because that's the only
00:16:51 --> 00:16:53 way you're going to keep it alive is if you start
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 getting the, I guess, for lack of a - The suburbs.
00:16:57 --> 00:16:59 Yeah, the normies, the people who just stream
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 and they don't really think about it. If they
00:17:01 --> 00:17:05 start buying physical media again, we win, period.
00:17:05 --> 00:17:09 Yes. There'll be no other choice but to continue
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 making physical media. Yeah. And the reason I
00:17:12 --> 00:17:15 brought Demon Hunters up is because I know that's
00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 going to be a number one selling disc. I believe
00:17:18 --> 00:17:21 November, December comes. I'm pretty sure that
00:17:21 --> 00:17:25 next week you're going to have these same kids
00:17:25 --> 00:17:28 at Barnes & Noble, at Night Owl in Brooklyn,
00:17:29 --> 00:17:32 probably buying this movie. I'm not mad if it
00:17:32 --> 00:17:35 sells out because I know they're gonna keep making
00:17:35 --> 00:17:37 more of them. Same thing with Demon Hunters.
00:17:37 --> 00:17:39 If it sells out, guess what? Criterion is gonna
00:17:39 --> 00:17:41 make more. The only thing that I hope is that
00:17:41 --> 00:17:43 they make a beautiful box and not that crappy
00:17:43 --> 00:17:45 plastic that they do, you know, because I'm still
00:17:45 --> 00:17:49 mad about Ice -Wise Shut when every other cubic
00:17:49 --> 00:17:51 film has a nice DG pack. Don't get me started.
00:17:51 --> 00:17:54 Anyway, point is, back to Obsession, that I'm
00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 pretty sure there's going to be a lot of different
00:17:56 --> 00:18:00 versions of this film. Steel books, 4Ks, blu
00:18:00 --> 00:18:03 -rays, DVDs, VHSs. We are going to buy them all.
00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 Us horror fans are going to buy them all. But
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 the kid in Brooklyn who's going to NYU film school
00:18:09 --> 00:18:11 is probably going to buy the DVD and be happy
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 with it. Right. Guess what? You still have more
00:18:13 --> 00:18:16 chances of buying a 4k. And you're probably gonna
00:18:16 --> 00:18:19 buy a 4k later on, you know, from Arrow or whoever
00:18:19 --> 00:18:22 takes over the licensing and makes another box
00:18:22 --> 00:18:24 that you're still gonna buy. Why we know this?
00:18:24 --> 00:18:26 Because we know we follow each other. So it's
00:18:26 --> 00:18:30 like trying to, you know, gatekeep 4k. But for
00:18:30 --> 00:18:32 me, it's like, I know this is gonna be a well
00:18:32 --> 00:18:38 -received physical media next week. I'm hoping
00:18:38 --> 00:18:40 it does well. Look, I could have my restorations
00:18:40 --> 00:18:44 on the film, but... If people are buying it,
00:18:44 --> 00:18:48 if these people that usually don't buy physical
00:18:48 --> 00:18:51 media are buying it, that is great news for us.
00:18:51 --> 00:18:53 And maybe Sony will rethink their decision. Who
00:18:53 --> 00:18:57 knows? We don't influence that much. But moving
00:18:57 --> 00:19:00 on from the physical aspect of that and the money
00:19:00 --> 00:19:03 that that movie has made. I feel like one of
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 the reasons and one of the comments that I read
00:19:05 --> 00:19:09 goes with this. This to me is more of a psychological
00:19:09 --> 00:19:13 horror. It doesn't rely too much, although it
00:19:13 --> 00:19:17 has some jumpscares for some people, for the
00:19:17 --> 00:19:20 normies. And it has some gore, again, for the
00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 normies. It doesn't have a CGI monster like,
00:19:23 --> 00:19:27 you know, smile or back rooms that has a CGI
00:19:27 --> 00:19:32 monster. This one is more just craftsmanship.
00:19:33 --> 00:19:36 Like this is just all about atmosphere, uncertainty.
00:19:36 --> 00:19:40 You got paranoia and the dread. Yes, it's the
00:19:40 --> 00:19:44 movie. The movie does tension building. And I
00:19:44 --> 00:19:46 guess I would say lighting very well. I mean,
00:19:46 --> 00:19:50 the scenes where like the whoever whoever's idea
00:19:50 --> 00:19:52 was, whether it was Kerry Barkers or whether
00:19:52 --> 00:19:55 it was the cinematographers, whoever's idea was
00:19:55 --> 00:19:59 to keep Nikki in the shadows a lot to where you
00:19:59 --> 00:20:03 can't even really distinguish her features per
00:20:03 --> 00:20:08 se. That was a amazing Choice because that part
00:20:08 --> 00:20:12 of what made it effective is that that that really
00:20:12 --> 00:20:16 weird Uncanny feel of like especially when they
00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 did the prosthetics on her face When they had
00:20:19 --> 00:20:22 her standing in the corner of the bedroom. Oh,
00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 yes. Yes, like talking to bear They did prosthetics
00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 on her face. So that way like when the subtle
00:20:27 --> 00:20:30 light touches her features It you can tell it
00:20:30 --> 00:20:34 does not look like her and like when that's happening.
00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 That's like to me that was one of the most I
00:20:36 --> 00:20:38 guess I don't want to say terrifying because
00:20:38 --> 00:20:40 it wasn't that intense but that was one of the
00:20:40 --> 00:20:43 more scary aspects of the film where you're like
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 looking you're like hold on that is not her like
00:20:46 --> 00:20:49 who who is that and she's like you know standing
00:20:49 --> 00:20:52 up doing her thing but the way they used lighting
00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 and all in this film is what made it effective
00:20:54 --> 00:20:58 and also I believe you know music always has
00:20:58 --> 00:21:03 a large impact so the score like when I I didn't
00:21:03 --> 00:21:05 I'll be honest, when I watched the movie for
00:21:05 --> 00:21:09 the first time, I didn't 100 % notice it. But
00:21:09 --> 00:21:10 then I watched, I actually went to the movie
00:21:10 --> 00:21:13 theaters, I saw it twice. When I watched it the
00:21:13 --> 00:21:15 second time, I really started to notice how well
00:21:15 --> 00:21:20 the score amplified what was going on in the
00:21:20 --> 00:21:23 scenes. Like the fact that when Nikki switches
00:21:23 --> 00:21:27 back and forth between her normal self and the
00:21:27 --> 00:21:30 one -wish Willow Nikki, The music, like, abruptly
00:21:30 --> 00:21:33 stops. Every time she switches back, it stops.
00:21:33 --> 00:21:36 Almost like an indication of when she's Nikki
00:21:36 --> 00:21:39 and when she's One Wish Willow Nikki. And stuff
00:21:39 --> 00:21:41 like that is what I think made it effective.
00:21:42 --> 00:21:45 For, like, if you're into, like you said, psychological
00:21:45 --> 00:21:48 or if you're into, like, more, like, tension
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 -building type of horror, that's going to really
00:21:50 --> 00:21:53 get you, probably. Two films that kind of stuck
00:21:53 --> 00:21:55 with me I'm going to touch first on the lighting.
00:21:55 --> 00:21:59 I did light the lighting in the film. However,
00:21:59 --> 00:22:01 the reason I was bothered by the lighting, it
00:22:01 --> 00:22:04 wasn't because I did not like it, it's because
00:22:04 --> 00:22:09 the reception and the feedback from people, the
00:22:09 --> 00:22:13 Oscar campaign and the Indy, literally, no pun
00:22:13 --> 00:22:17 intended, Oscar campaign for Indy is that, oh,
00:22:17 --> 00:22:20 she's such a good actress. I don't want to get
00:22:20 --> 00:22:24 the hate for saying this. We already have an
00:22:24 --> 00:22:27 Academy Award winning performance in horror this
00:22:27 --> 00:22:31 year. from Amy in Weapons. When Amy comes into
00:22:31 --> 00:22:33 the scene, even when she's just like popping
00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 in and out at the first half of the movie, which
00:22:35 --> 00:22:38 I was entirely bored about to go walk out of
00:22:38 --> 00:22:43 that movie, then she comes in and that movie
00:22:43 --> 00:22:48 does a complete 180. Once Amy Madigan, Aunt Gladys,
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 comes in and starts talking, that film takes
00:22:51 --> 00:22:55 a whole different vibe. Now, with Indy, yes,
00:22:55 --> 00:22:58 she's a great actress. But if you're telling
00:22:58 --> 00:23:02 me that she should win for acting, half of the
00:23:02 --> 00:23:05 features, half of the reason, or I would say
00:23:05 --> 00:23:08 100 % of the reason to win a best acting award
00:23:08 --> 00:23:11 is we can see your face. And that's the only
00:23:11 --> 00:23:13 problem that I had when people are like, oh,
00:23:13 --> 00:23:15 she should win an Academy Award for her acting.
00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 Which acting? I couldn't see her face. That's
00:23:19 --> 00:23:21 not a bad thing. I like one of the scenes where
00:23:21 --> 00:23:24 she's at the door. when they first start staying
00:23:24 --> 00:23:27 together, that she comes over and you just see
00:23:27 --> 00:23:30 the eyes and it's like a wolf. You know, if you
00:23:30 --> 00:23:32 watch a lot of horror movies, you probably know
00:23:32 --> 00:23:34 what I'm talking about. And I'm talking to the
00:23:34 --> 00:23:37 audience, not you. Everything behind you is horror.
00:23:37 --> 00:23:39 So you know what I'm talking about. So you know
00:23:39 --> 00:23:42 when in horror they have somebody who's possessed
00:23:42 --> 00:23:45 or just not themselves and their eyes, they have
00:23:45 --> 00:23:48 like that light. in their eyes, very Pennywise,
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 you know, like the deadlights, you know, so when
00:23:51 --> 00:23:53 you have those deadlights in your eyes, that
00:23:53 --> 00:23:56 I loved, but you can't tell me that all this
00:23:56 --> 00:24:00 hiding her features should get her an award when
00:24:00 --> 00:24:02 she's very good also when she's in the light.
00:24:02 --> 00:24:04 If this was supporting actress role, great. I
00:24:04 --> 00:24:06 love Academy Awards, so when people started saying
00:24:06 --> 00:24:10 about nominations, I was like, I gotta go check
00:24:10 --> 00:24:13 this movie now from a perspective of if this
00:24:13 --> 00:24:18 gets nominated for an Oscar. So that's how I
00:24:18 --> 00:24:21 usually watch movies. Horror movies, not so much.
00:24:21 --> 00:24:25 But when I watch weapons, I said, yeah, no, Amy
00:24:25 --> 00:24:27 should be nominated for this. I don't care about
00:24:27 --> 00:24:29 the rest of the film, but Amy Madigan, and from
00:24:29 --> 00:24:32 day one, even after watching one battle after
00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 another, which I loved, I said, no, Amy Madigan
00:24:35 --> 00:24:38 is the one that has to win all the awards this
00:24:38 --> 00:24:41 season. And I was right. But this movie, I feel
00:24:41 --> 00:24:44 like if you push her for supporting you might
00:24:44 --> 00:24:46 have more chances, even though she's more of
00:24:46 --> 00:24:48 a lead, to be honest, but I feel like nobody
00:24:48 --> 00:24:53 in this movie is necessarily a lead. Maybe Bear,
00:24:53 --> 00:24:55 if you want to put it that way, because he made
00:24:55 --> 00:24:59 the wish, but the antagonism comes from Nikki,
00:24:59 --> 00:25:01 but then the antagonism comes from Bear, and
00:25:01 --> 00:25:04 usually the best supporter is the one who's antagonizing
00:25:04 --> 00:25:08 the situation. The lead is usually who's being
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 affected by the situation. The lighting in this
00:25:10 --> 00:25:15 is so good. I feel like It could have used maybe
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 a little bit more color in some scenes, but it
00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 was still pretty well done. The score I noticed
00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 the first time I watched it, it was a pretty
00:25:23 --> 00:25:26 good score. I feel like it reflected a certain
00:25:26 --> 00:25:29 time, but not at the same time. I don't know
00:25:29 --> 00:25:32 if that makes sense. It felt very nineties. Cause
00:25:32 --> 00:25:34 again, there's not a lot of technology in the
00:25:34 --> 00:25:37 film. It felt very nineties, but then at the
00:25:37 --> 00:25:41 same time, it felt very today of this generation's
00:25:41 --> 00:25:46 horror. But one of the ones that I feel that
00:25:46 --> 00:25:49 for me still has when it comes to horror, still
00:25:49 --> 00:25:54 has the edge when it comes to sound has to be
00:25:54 --> 00:25:57 undertone. Undertone has such an amazing sound.
00:25:57 --> 00:26:02 Obviously it has to. It relies into just sound
00:26:02 --> 00:26:04 itself. I didn't mind the camera just rolling
00:26:04 --> 00:26:07 around the house and all of that because it kind
00:26:07 --> 00:26:09 of built the atmosphere. And, and if you watch
00:26:09 --> 00:26:10 a lot of horror, you're like, Oh, something's
00:26:10 --> 00:26:12 going to pop up sometime at one point, something's
00:26:12 --> 00:26:15 going to pop up and then nothing does. But then
00:26:15 --> 00:26:17 you have the, you don't do that when you're podcasting,
00:26:17 --> 00:26:20 you know, you don't, you don't talk like that
00:26:20 --> 00:26:22 when you're podcasting. Like you're doing a live
00:26:22 --> 00:26:23 stream at this point, because, you know, you
00:26:23 --> 00:26:27 have audiences typing, you know, live, but that
00:26:27 --> 00:26:30 could have been taken more to the max. Cause
00:26:30 --> 00:26:33 we've had horror that has great sound before.
00:26:34 --> 00:26:38 This is not new, but there's movies that rely
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 a lot on sound and when there's silences, you
00:26:40 --> 00:26:44 really feel that definite in silence. And I feel
00:26:44 --> 00:26:49 like this one did not use it well, even though
00:26:49 --> 00:26:52 a lot of the silence throughout undertone was
00:26:52 --> 00:26:54 still pretty well done. And a lot of the sound
00:26:54 --> 00:26:56 was still pretty well done. I feel like they
00:26:56 --> 00:26:59 could have gone way further. With that film giving
00:26:59 --> 00:27:02 us a little bit more visuals, I guess because
00:27:02 --> 00:27:05 it kind of just get exhausting Repeating the
00:27:05 --> 00:27:09 same thing over and over with obsession. I feel
00:27:09 --> 00:27:12 like everything just works is very well packaged
00:27:12 --> 00:27:17 and I mentioned about the antagonist in this
00:27:17 --> 00:27:20 film for you personally which person you think
00:27:20 --> 00:27:23 is the antagonist here and why does the antagonist
00:27:23 --> 00:27:27 in this film stick with people. I think the antagonist
00:27:27 --> 00:27:32 would probably be Bear. He's the one who made
00:27:32 --> 00:27:35 the wish, you know what I mean? So if anything,
00:27:36 --> 00:27:39 he is at fault for everything that occurs after
00:27:39 --> 00:27:42 he makes that wish, whether he intended for it
00:27:42 --> 00:27:46 to be that way or not. So I do think that like
00:27:46 --> 00:27:49 Nikki is the victim, even though she's doing
00:27:49 --> 00:27:53 things to Bear. she is the victim. I mean, the
00:27:53 --> 00:27:56 real Nikki is still trapped underneath, you know,
00:27:56 --> 00:28:00 basically being forced to do all this. So I do
00:28:00 --> 00:28:02 think it's one of those things like, you know,
00:28:02 --> 00:28:06 I can see if this was, you know, if this was
00:28:06 --> 00:28:08 real, I could see like, you know, at first maybe
00:28:08 --> 00:28:11 Bear didn't believe that it was like the wish
00:28:11 --> 00:28:13 really came true. You know what I mean? Because
00:28:13 --> 00:28:16 like, why would you think a random object Granted
00:28:16 --> 00:28:18 your wish and all of a sudden she likes you or
00:28:18 --> 00:28:21 whatever. So I can see at first maybe bears just
00:28:21 --> 00:28:24 like okay, you know, whatever Yeah, everything's
00:28:24 --> 00:28:26 working out for me. I'm not gonna question it
00:28:26 --> 00:28:31 but as it goes on it's so very very evident that
00:28:31 --> 00:28:34 the wish did work and that Nikki is being like
00:28:34 --> 00:28:39 like suppressed by whatever is going on and Not
00:28:39 --> 00:28:43 literally at no point does he ever really like
00:28:43 --> 00:28:46 want to try to fix it? And even when they tell
00:28:46 --> 00:28:49 him, the only way to undo the wish is when you
00:28:49 --> 00:28:54 die. He's so self -absorbed. He might be a, you
00:28:54 --> 00:28:56 know, a quiet guy, but he's so self -absorbed
00:28:56 --> 00:28:58 that he's like, you know what? I ain't dying
00:28:58 --> 00:29:01 for this shit. I'd rather just, yeah. He makes
00:29:01 --> 00:29:03 that phone call. He makes the phone call. And
00:29:03 --> 00:29:05 the first thing he said, and they're like, you
00:29:05 --> 00:29:07 want to cancel a wish? And he's like, nah. He's
00:29:07 --> 00:29:09 like, is there any way to just like change this
00:29:09 --> 00:29:11 a little bit? Like everything's fine. It's like,
00:29:12 --> 00:29:14 dude. And especially after he hears like, uh,
00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 like the, the real Nikki, like screaming on the
00:29:17 --> 00:29:20 phone. It's like. You're a whole nother level
00:29:20 --> 00:29:24 of like fucked up. And you're immediately like,
00:29:24 --> 00:29:26 now everything's chill. Can we just change this
00:29:26 --> 00:29:29 a little bit? I feel like that's when he, when
00:29:29 --> 00:29:31 I knew he was a villain, the story itself of
00:29:31 --> 00:29:35 her, you know, being trapped and basically having
00:29:35 --> 00:29:40 to. subject I guess to a man it's obviously it
00:29:40 --> 00:29:45 speaks a lot it reflects a lot in society so
00:29:45 --> 00:29:47 that was actually pretty smart right and when
00:29:47 --> 00:29:51 it came to that I have another Redditor here
00:29:51 --> 00:29:54 she says I was expecting something spectacular
00:29:54 --> 00:29:57 with all the hype for it and it just didn't live
00:29:57 --> 00:30:00 up to it I didn't find it scary just creepy which
00:30:00 --> 00:30:03 to be honest you know it was and then she continues
00:30:03 --> 00:30:06 honestly the whole thing felt rushed and there
00:30:06 --> 00:30:08 wasn't enough world building before things go
00:30:08 --> 00:30:12 off the rails no characters to root for i just
00:30:12 --> 00:30:14 wasn't invested this is the second movie that
00:30:14 --> 00:30:17 people hype up in the last couple of years that
00:30:17 --> 00:30:20 i just didn't care much for but i might be asking
00:30:20 --> 00:30:23 for too much i want more compelling storyline
00:30:23 --> 00:30:28 not just unnerving weirdness i somewhat agree
00:30:28 --> 00:30:31 with that, because again, it was pretty weird.
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 I get that. It was a little unnerving. But when
00:30:34 --> 00:30:39 we have characters or horror icons like Michael
00:30:39 --> 00:30:45 Myers, Samara, the gay one, the Babadook, and
00:30:45 --> 00:30:49 then the smiling people from Smile, which someone
00:30:49 --> 00:30:52 wrote about that. I'll read that in a bit. What
00:30:52 --> 00:30:57 do you think makes Nikki From those that I mentioned,
00:30:57 --> 00:30:59 why do you think that would make her such an
00:30:59 --> 00:31:03 instantly memorable character or horror icon
00:31:03 --> 00:31:07 at this point? I think to be honest, I'm a firm
00:31:07 --> 00:31:11 believer in speaking about Michael Myers. I'm
00:31:11 --> 00:31:14 a firm believer in the less you know about something,
00:31:14 --> 00:31:18 the scarier it is. And I think because the parameters
00:31:18 --> 00:31:22 of the One Wish Willow are so uncertain and nobody
00:31:22 --> 00:31:26 exactly knows What exactly happened? Did the
00:31:26 --> 00:31:28 wish just work? Is there like an entity inside
00:31:28 --> 00:31:31 of her? Is this and that? I know Curry Barker
00:31:31 --> 00:31:34 has um, I believe he said some stuff on different
00:31:34 --> 00:31:36 podcasts where he doesn't it's not like really
00:31:36 --> 00:31:39 an entity It's just the fact that the wish just
00:31:39 --> 00:31:42 didn't work in his favor But the fact that when
00:31:42 --> 00:31:45 you're watching the movie, you don't fully understand
00:31:45 --> 00:31:47 what is going on It's like, you know, everything
00:31:47 --> 00:31:52 seems, you know perfect at first, but then little
00:31:52 --> 00:31:55 by little you start seeing all these things with
00:31:55 --> 00:31:57 Nikki that just like just aren't right like she
00:31:57 --> 00:32:00 does things that you're like okay that was really
00:32:00 --> 00:32:03 strange that was really weird like I feel like
00:32:03 --> 00:32:07 I feel like that aspect of it makes it scary
00:32:07 --> 00:32:10 and I think the type of horror that is in this
00:32:10 --> 00:32:14 movie is definitely not for everyone I know quite
00:32:14 --> 00:32:18 a bit of people who like They they like more.
00:32:18 --> 00:32:21 I don't want to say action -packed per se but
00:32:21 --> 00:32:25 they like more like Direct horror, I don't know
00:32:25 --> 00:32:28 what I would call it. But like this is a lot
00:32:28 --> 00:32:32 more subtle it's it's the uncanniness of her
00:32:32 --> 00:32:37 slowly devolving and I think that aspect of not
00:32:37 --> 00:32:41 knowing what is going on is she Possessed like
00:32:41 --> 00:32:43 what is happening that aspect of it is what makes
00:32:43 --> 00:32:46 it scary for some people I wish I would have
00:32:46 --> 00:32:48 known a little bit more about Nikki because,
00:32:48 --> 00:32:51 you know, we get a little bit sentimental with
00:32:51 --> 00:32:55 Sarah and, you know, the spoils are all over
00:32:55 --> 00:32:58 Instagram now and everywhere you look, you get
00:32:58 --> 00:33:03 the gif. So we feel for that. We feel for her
00:33:03 --> 00:33:07 because she finally has her life together or
00:33:07 --> 00:33:11 something is happening in her life. And then,
00:33:11 --> 00:33:14 you know, you take it away from us as the viewer.
00:33:14 --> 00:33:18 of the high hopes. And when we were talking about
00:33:18 --> 00:33:21 bear being so egocentric, because it's just ego
00:33:21 --> 00:33:25 at this point or selfishness, and you have this
00:33:25 --> 00:33:28 person who she finally tells you, oh, like, I
00:33:28 --> 00:33:31 like you. And now you're trying to see how can
00:33:31 --> 00:33:33 you make this work with this person when you
00:33:33 --> 00:33:36 have this other one over here going crazy. I
00:33:36 --> 00:33:38 wish I would have known a little bit of Nikki.
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 Because we get the father part that might be
00:33:40 --> 00:33:42 true, might not be true. We don't know what her
00:33:42 --> 00:33:46 family situation is too well, her goals, her,
00:33:46 --> 00:33:48 you know, because then it's like, oh, well, she
00:33:48 --> 00:33:50 wanted to do this and now she's trapped. Or like
00:33:50 --> 00:33:52 you said, might be possessed. We don't know.
00:33:52 --> 00:33:54 They keep that very vague, which I like, you
00:33:54 --> 00:33:57 know, because it might be some kind of, I don't
00:33:57 --> 00:33:59 know, some alien shit or something, you know,
00:33:59 --> 00:34:02 because somebody picked up the phone. You know,
00:34:02 --> 00:34:03 and you're not going to have the devil like,
00:34:03 --> 00:34:05 yeah, hello. Yeah, I just sent one of my demons
00:34:05 --> 00:34:08 over. That's not how possessions work. And the
00:34:08 --> 00:34:10 fact that you have her screaming in the background
00:34:10 --> 00:34:16 somewhere in this, uh, not universe, but Astro
00:34:16 --> 00:34:19 plane, the real one is stuck and you just made
00:34:19 --> 00:34:23 a call to somewhere and there's, there's realness
00:34:23 --> 00:34:26 to it, you know, but I feel like that's the only
00:34:26 --> 00:34:27 thing that I wish we would have known just a
00:34:27 --> 00:34:31 little bit more on Nikki. I have another Redditor.
00:34:31 --> 00:34:35 I have a few here who said it's decent, but it's
00:34:35 --> 00:34:37 it has been latched onto by TikTokers, which
00:34:37 --> 00:34:40 has cemented it as a current trend. I'm glad
00:34:40 --> 00:34:43 to see it's doing well, but people saying it's
00:34:43 --> 00:34:45 the scariest movie they've ever seen have really
00:34:45 --> 00:34:48 blown it out of proportion. This kind of cuts
00:34:48 --> 00:34:52 into what I wanted to talk about the movie being
00:34:52 --> 00:34:56 popular because of TikTok. Uh, don't spoil it
00:34:56 --> 00:34:58 because we want to go see it. The memes, like
00:34:58 --> 00:35:01 you mentioned, the fan theories, like I just
00:35:01 --> 00:35:04 said, you know, is this another realm? He's going
00:35:04 --> 00:35:06 to come up with a new movie, Anything But Ghost,
00:35:06 --> 00:35:10 which the premise sounds amazing. I want to go
00:35:10 --> 00:35:13 see that one. With Aaron Paul and all? Yeah,
00:35:13 --> 00:35:15 it has a great cast. Yeah, it has a great cast.
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18 And, and he said he was going to somehow link
00:35:18 --> 00:35:21 it to this universe. And I hate when people use
00:35:21 --> 00:35:24 that. It's like, using immersive for everything.
00:35:24 --> 00:35:25 I'm like, stop with the immersive. Stop with
00:35:25 --> 00:35:28 the universe. Just create the movie and let us
00:35:28 --> 00:35:31 do the links. I still think Dewey is alive. I'm
00:35:31 --> 00:35:33 going to die on that hill. There's no body. There's
00:35:33 --> 00:35:36 no Dewey is still alive. Same thing with Scarlet
00:35:36 --> 00:35:39 Witch. I agree with you. If I really believe
00:35:39 --> 00:35:40 he's dead, it makes me angry. So I'm not going
00:35:40 --> 00:35:43 to do that. For real. If I don't see a body.
00:35:43 --> 00:35:46 I'm sorry, they're still alive. Scarlet Witch
00:35:46 --> 00:35:48 and Dewey, they're both still alive and prove
00:35:48 --> 00:35:51 me wrong. You had the fan theories. When I really
00:35:51 --> 00:35:54 like a movie, I like to theorize about the film,
00:35:55 --> 00:35:57 especially when you're, when you have something
00:35:57 --> 00:36:01 this, this popular, this obsession with obsession
00:36:01 --> 00:36:06 now going on, you, you want to talk to people
00:36:06 --> 00:36:09 and create your own fan theories. And you know,
00:36:09 --> 00:36:12 the clips, everything is so shareable and Does
00:36:12 --> 00:36:16 the mystery sell the movie better than the trailers?
00:36:17 --> 00:36:21 It kind of does because the Mandalorian was just
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23 a cute movie. It was all about baby Yoda. And
00:36:23 --> 00:36:27 this one, you only had the trailer. Well, the
00:36:27 --> 00:36:33 trailer, the promo was a $700 film making
00:36:33 --> 00:36:36 bank. Every promo you saw was is making bank
00:36:36 --> 00:36:39 and you're like, but is can you give me a trailer
00:36:39 --> 00:36:42 for the movie? Another additional teaser or something?
00:36:42 --> 00:36:46 Do you think that a lot of the drive? Has been
00:36:46 --> 00:36:48 mostly because of social media you mentioned
00:36:48 --> 00:36:52 the the memes but the promo do you think it relied
00:36:52 --> 00:36:56 as well more on social media? What do you think
00:36:56 --> 00:36:58 the production itself? What do you think they
00:36:58 --> 00:37:03 did necessarily to make this one? more, you know,
00:37:03 --> 00:37:06 blow up the way that it did. So one thing that
00:37:06 --> 00:37:10 I think they did very well is I don't believe,
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12 if I'm remembering correctly, in the trailers
00:37:12 --> 00:37:15 for the movie, I don't believe they gave a ton
00:37:15 --> 00:37:18 of way, which is which is a bonus on their end,
00:37:18 --> 00:37:21 because you don't you want to like you want to
00:37:21 --> 00:37:23 almost be like curious of like what what's happening
00:37:23 --> 00:37:27 going into a movie. So I think they did good
00:37:27 --> 00:37:30 with that. I also think they did a very good
00:37:30 --> 00:37:33 job. of of first of all they released I think
00:37:33 --> 00:37:35 it was a couple weeks before the movie came out
00:37:35 --> 00:37:38 they released the clip of Nikki and Bear when
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41 they were out to dinner and he like kind of like
00:37:41 --> 00:37:43 confronts her and she does the whole like no
00:37:43 --> 00:37:48 no no like that whole meme that was a was a very
00:37:48 --> 00:37:52 good clip because it's a very memeable clip very
00:37:52 --> 00:37:55 good clip of the film to release before the movie
00:37:55 --> 00:37:58 because I was seeing memes before the movie even
00:37:58 --> 00:38:01 came out About like, you know, you ask somebody
00:38:01 --> 00:38:03 to do this and then it's Nikki doing her whole
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 thing. So like that was a very smart decision
00:38:06 --> 00:38:11 also The fact that they released or were releasing
00:38:11 --> 00:38:14 Real -life one wish willows with like an actual
00:38:14 --> 00:38:17 one wish willow website and doing all that I
00:38:17 --> 00:38:19 think that helped a lot as well and I'm saying
00:38:19 --> 00:38:25 that partly I have three one wish willows. I
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28 do think that played a part in it because it
00:38:28 --> 00:38:32 just Like I said, it kind of brings everything
00:38:32 --> 00:38:36 together and makes you feel like it's an experience
00:38:36 --> 00:38:39 that you need to, like, go see. Like, and on
00:38:39 --> 00:38:42 top of that, I mean, I think they did a very
00:38:42 --> 00:38:45 good job of getting the word out that this movie
00:38:45 --> 00:38:49 was going to release because, you know, especially
00:38:49 --> 00:38:51 on, you know, Instagram, I'm on there all the
00:38:51 --> 00:38:55 time, especially on there, I constantly was seeing,
00:38:55 --> 00:38:58 like, advertisements for Obsession, constantly.
00:38:58 --> 00:39:01 So I think that definitely helped because to
00:39:01 --> 00:39:04 be completely honest, from the first trailer
00:39:04 --> 00:39:08 and the fact, I'll be honest too, like the, the
00:39:08 --> 00:39:10 Curry Barker and what's the other gentleman's
00:39:10 --> 00:39:14 name? Um, his partner or his like, uh, the guy
00:39:14 --> 00:39:17 who's always doing videos with him. Um, Cooper,
00:39:17 --> 00:39:21 Cooper Tomlinson. Yeah. Cooper Tomlinson and
00:39:21 --> 00:39:24 Curry Barker. do comedy skits which i've watched
00:39:24 --> 00:39:26 a lot of them before i even knew about obsession
00:39:26 --> 00:39:30 i've seen their comedy skits so like when i saw
00:39:30 --> 00:39:32 them that they were making a movie that they
00:39:32 --> 00:39:34 were doing this i was like all in immediately
00:39:34 --> 00:39:35 i was just like all right i'm gonna go check
00:39:35 --> 00:39:39 this movie out but i definitely think they did
00:39:39 --> 00:39:41 a very good job getting it out there that the
00:39:41 --> 00:39:45 movie was coming out building you know the one
00:39:45 --> 00:39:48 wish willow is is genius Because on top of that,
00:39:49 --> 00:39:51 I mean, it literally sold out almost immediately.
00:39:51 --> 00:39:53 I had to like almost fight for my life to try
00:39:53 --> 00:39:55 to get one the second time they dropped them.
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58 Yeah, I won one of those. I won one of those.
00:39:59 --> 00:40:01 I went to a spooky bookstore in Brooklyn called
00:40:01 --> 00:40:05 The Twisted Spine. Check it out if you love horror,
00:40:05 --> 00:40:08 especially the store is just beautiful. But I
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10 went and they had the candle from obsession.
00:40:10 --> 00:40:14 It was $32 and Night Owl is literally right next
00:40:14 --> 00:40:15 door. And I've been going to Night Owl for a
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18 year now. And I didn't visit Twisted Spine because
00:40:18 --> 00:40:20 I thought it was a little further up. And no,
00:40:20 --> 00:40:22 it's like literally two buildings right next
00:40:22 --> 00:40:23 to it. I was like, I would have been broke a
00:40:23 --> 00:40:27 long time ago. So thank God for that. But they
00:40:27 --> 00:40:29 have the Candle from Obsession. I might have
00:40:29 --> 00:40:32 to go back, grab it because it smells so good.
00:40:32 --> 00:40:35 They had an event at Twisted Spine for Obsession
00:40:35 --> 00:40:41 and, and everybody That sold out in minutes.
00:40:41 --> 00:40:44 They were literally basically live updating on
00:40:44 --> 00:40:46 Instagram. Like, this is how many we have. Don't
00:40:46 --> 00:40:48 worry, we're going to get more. And oh, sorry,
00:40:48 --> 00:40:50 we're sold out again. Come back tomorrow. We're
00:40:50 --> 00:40:52 going to try to get more. And this is a very
00:40:52 --> 00:40:55 small independent bookstore in Brooklyn. And
00:40:55 --> 00:40:58 everything was being sold out. So this was a
00:40:58 --> 00:41:03 major event that in a way, it also kind of supported
00:41:03 --> 00:41:06 small businesses. And I love the fact that physical
00:41:06 --> 00:41:10 media or just Films are also supporting bookstores,
00:41:10 --> 00:41:13 which again, for those who are new to physical
00:41:13 --> 00:41:16 media, newsflash books are also physical media.
00:41:16 --> 00:41:19 So one physical media supporting another physical
00:41:19 --> 00:41:22 media. That was just, you know, chef's kiss.
00:41:22 --> 00:41:27 And this very unknown little bookstore, we're
00:41:27 --> 00:41:30 just getting all this popular, you know, this
00:41:30 --> 00:41:32 foot traffic because of the event they created
00:41:32 --> 00:41:35 for this film. I want to read the last Redditor.
00:41:36 --> 00:41:39 Cause it's going to go a little bit into the
00:41:39 --> 00:41:42 nest topic. But he says that the film is pretty
00:41:42 --> 00:41:45 derivative, amusing at times, but I definitely
00:41:45 --> 00:41:48 don't understand the hype. The internet doing
00:41:48 --> 00:41:50 its thing. I suppose lead actress was great.
00:41:50 --> 00:41:53 Dialogue got on my nerves, which I found to be
00:41:53 --> 00:41:55 the case with Barker's short films too. When
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58 can we stop with the creepy smiling face shtick?
00:41:58 --> 00:42:02 I agree. And then he continues, I think if the
00:42:02 --> 00:42:04 film hadn't blown up, I'd probably go a little
00:42:04 --> 00:42:07 easier on it, but it's hard to be somewhat critical
00:42:07 --> 00:42:11 when it's making money hand over fist. I'm actually
00:42:11 --> 00:42:14 shocked that the target audience endured the
00:42:14 --> 00:42:16 first 20 to 30 minutes. I agree on that part,
00:42:17 --> 00:42:19 which was kind of a slog, but again, I'm finding
00:42:19 --> 00:42:22 I don't care much of the dialogue in Baker's
00:42:22 --> 00:42:24 other shorts. So it's probably a personal problem.
00:42:24 --> 00:42:28 I agree to a certain extent with that comment.
00:42:29 --> 00:42:33 because I did have the same thing with weapons.
00:42:33 --> 00:42:38 It was that 40 minute before Amy comes out that
00:42:38 --> 00:42:40 I'm like, can we please stop with the back and
00:42:40 --> 00:42:42 forth? I feel like this would have worked better
00:42:42 --> 00:42:45 with a straight line or just go with the crackhead.
00:42:45 --> 00:42:48 He was the best character in that film besides
00:42:48 --> 00:42:51 Amy. This police guy, I hate it. She is getting
00:42:51 --> 00:42:53 on my last nerve and this guy just wants to kill
00:42:53 --> 00:42:56 somebody. So it's like, can we just focus on
00:42:56 --> 00:43:01 the crackhead, please? there's some movies that
00:43:01 --> 00:43:05 become events like this one and There's some
00:43:05 --> 00:43:09 that just kind of fizzle out. They're still part
00:43:09 --> 00:43:12 of our horror culture but some of the ones that
00:43:12 --> 00:43:17 I kind of compared to and one of them is very
00:43:17 --> 00:43:22 divisive which is long legs, but talk to me and
00:43:22 --> 00:43:25 Barbarian I haven't been able to see Barbarian.
00:43:25 --> 00:43:28 I actually pre -ordered the 4k because that's
00:43:28 --> 00:43:32 one that has not come out on 4k and That's gonna
00:43:32 --> 00:43:34 sell out. That's gonna sell out hands down. That's
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36 gonna sell out I mean, it's never had a physical
00:43:36 --> 00:43:39 media release at all and never So it's like no
00:43:39 --> 00:43:40 the fact that now is coming out that's gonna
00:43:40 --> 00:43:44 be a hit of a disc But I could not stop thinking
00:43:44 --> 00:43:47 about you know, long legs talk to me and barbarian
00:43:47 --> 00:43:51 how they were so People who don't watch horror
00:43:51 --> 00:43:57 were recommending barbarian to me so Do you think
00:43:57 --> 00:43:59 this one falls? on that model. Do you think that
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02 because of the success this one has had compared
00:44:02 --> 00:44:04 to those, you know, this one is like on another
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06 level or will you compare with at least those
00:44:06 --> 00:44:11 three? I mean, I think in a way they all kind
00:44:11 --> 00:44:15 of fall into the same category in certain ways.
00:44:16 --> 00:44:19 The thing that's always going to make obsession,
00:44:19 --> 00:44:23 whether people like it or not, the thing is always
00:44:23 --> 00:44:26 going to keep obsession at the top of that list.
00:44:26 --> 00:44:30 is the fact that the success that it has seen
00:44:30 --> 00:44:36 is beyond what even I think probably some of
00:44:36 --> 00:44:40 those movies did put together. So it's like,
00:44:40 --> 00:44:43 you know, because of the success and because
00:44:43 --> 00:44:45 of the, like you said, how, you know, horror
00:44:45 --> 00:44:49 culture, because of the impact that it's had
00:44:49 --> 00:44:52 on horror culture, even just this summer, like
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55 it's... Absolutely, you know, for the first half
00:44:55 --> 00:44:57 of the summer, at least, I mean, this is all
00:44:57 --> 00:44:59 anybody's ever talked about the entire summer.
00:45:00 --> 00:45:03 So I do think because of that, it's always going
00:45:03 --> 00:45:07 to be like a step above those movies in a way.
00:45:08 --> 00:45:13 But I do think they all fall into a similar realm
00:45:13 --> 00:45:16 of movie, because I do think all those movies
00:45:16 --> 00:45:20 are unique and original in their own ways. you
00:45:20 --> 00:45:23 know, Barbarian, Long Legs. What's the other
00:45:23 --> 00:45:26 one you mentioned? Talk to Me, Barbarian, and
00:45:26 --> 00:45:29 Long Legs. Talk to Me. But all three of those
00:45:29 --> 00:45:31 were definitely not like run -of -the -mill horror
00:45:31 --> 00:45:34 movies. They were unique in their own way. So
00:45:34 --> 00:45:37 I do think they all go together in that aspect.
00:45:38 --> 00:45:41 But I just think Obsession has just done something
00:45:41 --> 00:45:44 that those other movies could not. Yeah, I feel
00:45:44 --> 00:45:47 like this is the rise again because I've always
00:45:47 --> 00:45:51 been here. I think there's more indie horror
00:45:51 --> 00:45:54 than probably any other genre that comes into
00:45:54 --> 00:45:57 movie theaters. But I feel like it's probably
00:45:57 --> 00:46:01 the rise of indie horror, original horror, and
00:46:01 --> 00:46:04 auteur horror. So, you know, you have these guys
00:46:04 --> 00:46:09 who have a certain style on YouTube becoming
00:46:09 --> 00:46:13 popular for what they do. We have Martin Scorsese
00:46:13 --> 00:46:15 doing his films and we all know what a Martin
00:46:15 --> 00:46:19 Scorsese film looks like. Sometimes when it comes
00:46:19 --> 00:46:25 to horror, ever since Wes Craven or Carpenter,
00:46:26 --> 00:46:29 we know their style. And I don't feel that we've
00:46:29 --> 00:46:32 had, at least for me, I don't follow other horror
00:46:32 --> 00:46:36 directors as other people do, but I feel like
00:46:36 --> 00:46:38 for me, they haven't been that many out there
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40 that you're like, okay, we're probably gonna
00:46:40 --> 00:46:43 be in good hands for a while, given that they
00:46:43 --> 00:46:47 don't... Get over hyped or in too much into their
00:46:47 --> 00:46:51 heads for this because of that because of this
00:46:51 --> 00:46:54 new directors that are coming out and obviously
00:46:54 --> 00:46:57 you're gonna have Hollywood trying to reprice
00:46:57 --> 00:47:01 trying to Redo repackage this the same success
00:47:01 --> 00:47:04 this one had and to probably any other slop they
00:47:04 --> 00:47:09 put out What do you think makes a horror film?
00:47:09 --> 00:47:12 successful today Are these three points that
00:47:12 --> 00:47:15 you think really stand out and a successful horror
00:47:15 --> 00:47:20 film? One you have to make sure people know that
00:47:20 --> 00:47:23 your movie is going is coming out like when you
00:47:23 --> 00:47:24 make a horror movie I think you have to make
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27 sure people know that it's coming out. I think
00:47:27 --> 00:47:32 you have to make sure that I mean I would say
00:47:32 --> 00:47:39 make sure that the Horror movie is compelling
00:47:39 --> 00:47:41 in some sort of way whether that be straight
00:47:41 --> 00:47:46 out like scary or like people describe obsession
00:47:46 --> 00:47:50 as creepy like you need to have whatever aspect
00:47:50 --> 00:47:53 of horror that you're going for you need to really
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55 hone in on that and then I think that you need
00:47:55 --> 00:47:59 like again I do think social media plays a huge
00:47:59 --> 00:48:03 impact now so you need to have whatever campaign
00:48:03 --> 00:48:06 you're doing for the movie I feel like you need
00:48:06 --> 00:48:09 to try to weave that into social media some way,
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12 because even if you have, because you can have
00:48:12 --> 00:48:15 a really good movie, but if it doesn't pick up
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18 steam or doesn't catch, you know, like obsession
00:48:18 --> 00:48:21 did, you're not going to end up with with obsession
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23 money, even if you do have a good movie. Sure.
00:48:24 --> 00:48:28 I feel like now the repeated viewing in cinemas
00:48:28 --> 00:48:31 is probably going to be a standard if the film
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34 is successful or not, because again, you saw
00:48:34 --> 00:48:36 it twice. I didn't have a chance to see it twice.
00:48:36 --> 00:48:38 I told you I mentioned that I wanted to go see
00:48:38 --> 00:48:41 it at the AMC on 42nd, because now they have
00:48:41 --> 00:48:45 this XL screenings and obsession is in one of
00:48:45 --> 00:48:48 them. The fact that they have that on XL and
00:48:48 --> 00:48:50 they have about eight show -ins a day is still
00:48:50 --> 00:48:53 playing, which is because people are going to
00:48:53 --> 00:48:56 see it over and over. The marketing, I don't
00:48:56 --> 00:48:58 think it was strong. We did the marketing, I
00:48:58 --> 00:49:01 guess, for them. And you have the fan discussion.
00:49:02 --> 00:49:05 where now I feel like the success comes down
00:49:05 --> 00:49:09 to now is just fan discussion. Yeah. And, you
00:49:09 --> 00:49:12 know, I do think, though, to put it to kind of
00:49:12 --> 00:49:14 compare it between two movies that came out this
00:49:14 --> 00:49:18 year, when you take Undertone versus Obsession,
00:49:18 --> 00:49:21 I had multiple people that I talked to. They
00:49:21 --> 00:49:24 had when Undertone was coming out, they had no
00:49:24 --> 00:49:28 idea what Undertone was. that it was coming out.
00:49:28 --> 00:49:30 Same thing with like a movie like Passengers.
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33 There was multiple people that didn't know Passengers
00:49:33 --> 00:49:37 was coming out or what that was. But Obsession,
00:49:37 --> 00:49:41 before the movie even came out, it seemed like
00:49:41 --> 00:49:44 those same people that I'm around, that I talk
00:49:44 --> 00:49:46 to a lot, they knew about Obsession. They didn't
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48 know about like Undertone as much. They didn't
00:49:48 --> 00:49:52 know about Passengers. So Obsession... did something,
00:49:52 --> 00:49:54 whether it's the online marketing, whether it's
00:49:54 --> 00:49:58 the commercials, they did something that alerted
00:49:58 --> 00:50:02 more people than some other horror films that
00:50:02 --> 00:50:06 have come out. And then, like you said, if you
00:50:06 --> 00:50:09 have a good film and you market it decent enough
00:50:09 --> 00:50:13 to where you get enough, you know, butts in seats
00:50:13 --> 00:50:16 the first weekend, if your movie's good and then
00:50:16 --> 00:50:19 people say it's good and talk about it online,
00:50:20 --> 00:50:23 You have traction and you'll keep going. I mean
00:50:23 --> 00:50:25 if obsession was hard if the session was absolutely
00:50:25 --> 00:50:28 horrendous It would have been dead after the
00:50:28 --> 00:50:31 first weekend. Nobody would have talked about
00:50:31 --> 00:50:32 it It would have it would have completely died
00:50:32 --> 00:50:35 off second weekend would have definitely not
00:50:35 --> 00:50:38 been Double the amount or you know, I think it
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39 was like double the amount of people. Do you
00:50:39 --> 00:50:45 think the hype? behind the film is Deserve I
00:50:45 --> 00:50:48 do I think it's deserved in the sense that I
00:50:48 --> 00:50:53 think for For what they had, I think Curry Barker
00:50:53 --> 00:50:55 and Mike see, I like I said, I personally am
00:50:55 --> 00:50:59 a very big fan of subtle, I guess, subtle horror,
00:50:59 --> 00:51:02 like tension building atmosphere. I like that
00:51:02 --> 00:51:06 a lot. So in my opinion, for what they had to
00:51:06 --> 00:51:10 work with, they made a ridiculously good horror
00:51:10 --> 00:51:16 movie for $750 . And it was, you know, of
00:51:16 --> 00:51:18 course, I watched tons of horror movies a year.
00:51:18 --> 00:51:23 I have not really had like when I got done like
00:51:23 --> 00:51:26 the scene at the end of obsession I also like
00:51:26 --> 00:51:30 horror movies that like stick with you and at
00:51:30 --> 00:51:33 the end of obsession when all the shit goes down
00:51:33 --> 00:51:36 and then it's just like the real Nikki who snapped
00:51:36 --> 00:51:40 back and she's like like just weeping just sobbing
00:51:40 --> 00:51:42 while she's sitting there looking at basically
00:51:42 --> 00:51:45 what she did without you know with you know under
00:51:45 --> 00:51:49 the one wish willow and then it kind of like
00:51:49 --> 00:51:51 flips around to the credits and as the credits
00:51:51 --> 00:51:53 are rolling you just continue to hear her like
00:51:53 --> 00:51:58 cry like this like really haunting cry like that
00:51:58 --> 00:52:01 type of stuff like sticks with me and when they
00:52:01 --> 00:52:03 stuck the ending in my opinion i think they stuck
00:52:03 --> 00:52:05 the ending very well when they did something
00:52:05 --> 00:52:09 like that i was like yeah i was like I've seen
00:52:09 --> 00:52:11 a good amount of horror movies and the feeling
00:52:11 --> 00:52:14 I got at the end of that movie, I haven't got
00:52:14 --> 00:52:18 from like, I don't know, barely any movies really
00:52:18 --> 00:52:20 that I've seen in the past couple of years. Is
00:52:20 --> 00:52:25 it a quick obsession meter to to wrap the obsession
00:52:25 --> 00:52:30 talk? I want to know from one to ten. throw out
00:52:30 --> 00:52:32 a few bullet points. I'm going to give out my
00:52:32 --> 00:52:34 numbers as well. I'm not going to be... I'm not
00:52:34 --> 00:52:37 going to let you take all the heat if you give
00:52:37 --> 00:52:40 a bad one. But the Assessor Meter, Atmosphere,
00:52:40 --> 00:52:44 1 to 10. Atmosphere, I would say... I would say
00:52:44 --> 00:52:47 9. I was going to say 8. I wish the sound design
00:52:47 --> 00:52:51 would have been a little bit as good as the lighting
00:52:51 --> 00:52:54 and the score. The Villain, 1 to 10. Okay, so
00:52:54 --> 00:52:57 not saying who it is, but whoever it is, I would
00:52:57 --> 00:53:02 say... The villain's probably 7 .5. I would say
00:53:02 --> 00:53:06 that for me, who I think the villain in this
00:53:06 --> 00:53:12 film is, I have to say a 9. Okay. It really pissed
00:53:12 --> 00:53:15 me off and a villain usually has to piss you
00:53:15 --> 00:53:18 off enough or entertain you. Ghostface entertains
00:53:18 --> 00:53:20 you as a villain. Others have to really piss
00:53:20 --> 00:53:24 you off. Rewatchability. I mean, for me, this
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26 is a 9 because people have seen it four times
00:53:26 --> 00:53:30 already. I think rewatchability would probably
00:53:30 --> 00:53:34 fall somewhere between 7 .5 and an 8. I think
00:53:34 --> 00:53:36 it's rewatchable. I mean, I went to the movies
00:53:36 --> 00:53:38 and saw it twice, but it's one of those ones
00:53:38 --> 00:53:40 where I don't think I'm going to watch this like
00:53:40 --> 00:53:42 every couple of months. I think I'm going to
00:53:42 --> 00:53:44 watch it. Like when I get the 4K, I'll watch
00:53:44 --> 00:53:47 the 4K. Then I probably won't watch it again
00:53:47 --> 00:53:49 until honestly, probably until like next like
00:53:49 --> 00:53:52 February. It's like, I feel like Valentine's
00:53:52 --> 00:53:55 Day is a good time to rewatch it again. Well,
00:53:55 --> 00:53:56 and now you know where to get the candle at the
00:53:56 --> 00:54:01 twist of spine. The scares. For me here, the
00:54:01 --> 00:54:04 scares, I would say a seven at most. Yeah, I
00:54:04 --> 00:54:08 would say scares. I would say probably a seven.
00:54:08 --> 00:54:11 I think a seven sounds fair, because like we
00:54:11 --> 00:54:14 talked about before, I don't think the film is
00:54:14 --> 00:54:18 like this in -your -face scary film. Really,
00:54:18 --> 00:54:22 the only scene. That really like I guess you
00:54:22 --> 00:54:25 could say scared or like jump scared me was the
00:54:25 --> 00:54:28 car scene But I kind of knew something was gonna
00:54:28 --> 00:54:31 happen. I just didn't know exactly what was gonna
00:54:31 --> 00:54:35 happen Yeah, the ending to me the ending I would
00:54:35 --> 00:54:38 say it's a close eight Because like you said
00:54:38 --> 00:54:42 how it ends and then you can just keep hearing
00:54:42 --> 00:54:45 it over and over It's such a haunting, you know,
00:54:45 --> 00:54:47 you're leaving the theater. If you walk out,
00:54:47 --> 00:54:49 as soon as the credits hits, you're still hearing
00:54:49 --> 00:54:52 that, you know, horrible sound behind you. So
00:54:52 --> 00:54:54 I would say the ending for me was a bit of an
00:54:54 --> 00:54:58 eight. Yeah, I would say I'd give the ending.
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00 I'd give the ending probably like a nine or a
00:55:00 --> 00:55:03 10. I'd give the ending because like. One big
00:55:03 --> 00:55:06 problem with a lot of movies is sometimes sometimes
00:55:06 --> 00:55:08 you get a awesome movie all the way through,
00:55:08 --> 00:55:10 but then the ending happens and you're kind of
00:55:10 --> 00:55:12 like, oh, dude, that kind of ruined it a little
00:55:12 --> 00:55:17 bit. I almost feel like this ending couldn't
00:55:17 --> 00:55:20 have been better, because you got all aspects
00:55:20 --> 00:55:24 of it. You got the fact that Bear was struggling
00:55:24 --> 00:55:26 with the choice of finally being like, I gotta
00:55:26 --> 00:55:30 end this. I gotta make that choice. But then,
00:55:32 --> 00:55:34 I like the fact that it shows you. Of course
00:55:34 --> 00:55:38 he tries to shoot himself or whatever. That doesn't
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40 work out. He doesn't go through with it. But
00:55:40 --> 00:55:43 then... He takes the pills and you think oh he
00:55:43 --> 00:55:47 he did it. He's gonna he's gonna but If it wasn't
00:55:47 --> 00:55:50 for the fact of nicky cracking that one wish
00:55:50 --> 00:55:54 willow He was getting ready to try to throw those
00:55:54 --> 00:55:57 pills back up like going back to what you said
00:55:57 --> 00:56:03 about him being um, very um Self -absorb. Oh,
00:56:03 --> 00:56:04 you know what I mean? Like even at the end when
00:56:04 --> 00:56:07 he like ruined everybody he ruined his entire
00:56:07 --> 00:56:12 all his friends dead gone He couldn't do it to
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15 save Nikki even though he claims that he loves
00:56:15 --> 00:56:19 her he couldn't do it to save her so like the
00:56:19 --> 00:56:21 whole ending the way it worked out was amazing
00:56:21 --> 00:56:24 in my opinion what about the collector appeal
00:56:24 --> 00:56:28 for me this is a hard 10 because like I said
00:56:28 --> 00:56:31 you had the one wish willow I won that candle
00:56:31 --> 00:56:34 there's a lot of sweaters out there and shirts
00:56:34 --> 00:56:37 that look amazing and I won a lot of apparel
00:56:38 --> 00:56:42 When it comes to the 4K coming out, it's probably
00:56:42 --> 00:56:44 the most basic one that's coming out right now.
00:56:44 --> 00:56:46 But I know there's going to be more versions
00:56:46 --> 00:56:49 of it, more additions of it. And that is going
00:56:49 --> 00:56:52 to be bring it on, you know, one right after
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54 another. And I think the collector appeal of
00:56:54 --> 00:56:57 this movie is a hard 10 for me. Yeah, I think
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59 I'd agree with that as well. I think for me,
00:56:59 --> 00:57:02 it's going to be one that I continue to collect
00:57:02 --> 00:57:03 as long as they come out with good versions.
00:57:04 --> 00:57:06 Like if they come out with a cool looking steel
00:57:06 --> 00:57:10 book. i'm getting it but i'm really hoping now
00:57:10 --> 00:57:13 i feel like if anybody's gonna get the rights
00:57:13 --> 00:57:16 to the movie to put it out maybe aero video which
00:57:16 --> 00:57:20 i would be fine with if aero gets it that's awesome
00:57:20 --> 00:57:23 my personal favorite is second sight i don't
00:57:23 --> 00:57:25 i don't know if they're gonna get it but to be
00:57:25 --> 00:57:27 honest if second sight would come out with something
00:57:27 --> 00:57:29 for obsession I mean, that's a day one. That's
00:57:29 --> 00:57:31 not even, I'm not even thinking about it. I'm
00:57:31 --> 00:57:33 just handing over my wallet. Yeah. I think, I
00:57:33 --> 00:57:35 think second site, I mean, especially the fact
00:57:35 --> 00:57:39 that they have, uh, uh, follow me. It follows
00:57:39 --> 00:57:42 follow me. Yes. Well, don't follow me, but it
00:57:42 --> 00:57:45 follows and talk to me. Yes. So they have these
00:57:45 --> 00:57:52 two cold classics, which leads into my last question.
00:57:53 --> 00:57:56 Does this have the chance to become a cult classic.
00:57:56 --> 00:57:58 That's a nine for me, because I'm still questioning
00:57:58 --> 00:58:00 how this generation is going to stick to the
00:58:00 --> 00:58:04 movie long after it's gone out of theaters. Right.
00:58:04 --> 00:58:07 I think that's also probably pretty fair. I'd
00:58:07 --> 00:58:10 say an eight point five or a nine, because I
00:58:10 --> 00:58:14 do think that the themes of this movie resonate
00:58:14 --> 00:58:18 with the newer generations very well, which is
00:58:18 --> 00:58:21 part of the reason it did so well. But as time
00:58:21 --> 00:58:25 goes on. don't know how well it's gonna be perceived
00:58:25 --> 00:58:28 by the next generations like are they gonna look
00:58:28 --> 00:58:31 at this movie and kind of like I mean I wasn't
00:58:31 --> 00:58:34 around when Halloween came out but I absolutely
00:58:34 --> 00:58:37 love Halloween or the younger people when this
00:58:37 --> 00:58:40 movie is 30 years down the road are they gonna
00:58:40 --> 00:58:43 look back with that kind of mindset on obsession
00:58:43 --> 00:58:45 I don't know I still have my doubts how they're
00:58:45 --> 00:58:49 gonna keep this movie alive at least that unknown
00:58:49 --> 00:58:52 generation when it comes to physical media. So
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54 every few years a horror movie comes out of nowhere
00:58:54 --> 00:58:58 and dominates the conversation. And can another
00:58:58 --> 00:59:02 film recreate that success or was just this lightning
00:59:02 --> 00:59:05 in a bottle? Continuing on the obsession for
00:59:05 --> 00:59:08 obsession, we're going to cut to a segment where
00:59:08 --> 00:59:12 I want to spotlight one of the biggest franchises
00:59:12 --> 00:59:15 that probably has had us obsessed. for almost
00:59:15 --> 00:59:18 30 years and that is one of my favorite horror
00:59:18 --> 00:59:21 movies and one of the biggest cult classic and
00:59:21 --> 00:59:40 that is Scream. John, I want to talk to you about
00:59:40 --> 00:59:43 a little bit about Scream. I want to ask collectors,
00:59:43 --> 00:59:46 I want to ask horror fans. What does Scream mean
00:59:46 --> 00:59:50 to you as a horror collector or as a horror fan?
00:59:52 --> 00:59:55 I mean, Scream is always going to be such an
00:59:55 --> 01:00:03 impactful film within the horror ethos. I mean,
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07 one aspect of Scream, the fact that it's lasted
01:00:07 --> 01:00:11 from the 90s all the way till now with basically
01:00:11 --> 01:00:17 the same people. You know, I feel like that 90s
01:00:17 --> 01:00:22 horror is perfected in that first movie. Like,
01:00:22 --> 01:00:25 that first Scream movie is like... I don't know
01:00:25 --> 01:00:27 if you can get better than that. Especially between
01:00:27 --> 01:00:30 the actors. I mean, Matthew Lillard's always
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 been one of my favorite actors, whether it's
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 him in, like, horror or whether it's him in comedy.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38 Because Without a Paddle is one of my favorite
01:00:38 --> 01:00:42 comedy films. I do think... For what it means
01:00:42 --> 01:00:45 to me. I would say it's it's just it's just a
01:00:45 --> 01:00:49 very impactful influential 90 films that I mean
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52 the cascade effect from that original trilogy
01:00:52 --> 01:00:56 basically is gonna go on for probably generations
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 like scream is scream is a Everlasting horror
01:00:58 --> 01:01:01 franchise and the fact that the killer isn't
01:01:01 --> 01:01:05 one central person the killer can be anyone pretty
01:01:05 --> 01:01:10 much just leads it to have the legs that it's
01:01:10 --> 01:01:13 had in the past like 30 years. Why do you think
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 that this film, at least the original one, we're
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17 talking about the original one here, even though
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 you're good to share love for all the other ones,
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23 including Seven, but why do you think this film
01:01:23 --> 01:01:28 has lasted for over 30 years? I think just like
01:01:28 --> 01:01:31 how Obsession was lightning in a bottle, I think
01:01:31 --> 01:01:34 the original Scream movie was lightning in a
01:01:34 --> 01:01:37 bottle in a way. It was one of those things that
01:01:37 --> 01:01:40 hit at the exact right time, you know, I feel
01:01:40 --> 01:01:44 like I don't want to say horror was in a slump,
01:01:44 --> 01:01:47 but I feel like at that time when it hit, it
01:01:47 --> 01:01:51 was just such an impactful horror commentary.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:53 Like it was, it was such, it was such like a
01:01:53 --> 01:01:56 commentary on the horror franchises or the horror
01:01:56 --> 01:01:59 genre as a whole. And I just think it was such
01:01:59 --> 01:02:02 a pivotal movie at that time that it just, it
01:02:02 --> 01:02:05 just. it just hits like even till today and you
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 know everybody always wants to choose the original
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 movie in a franchise is like their favorite but
01:02:10 --> 01:02:13 like i genuinely believe if you watch all these
01:02:13 --> 01:02:16 movies there's no denying that first one is the
01:02:16 --> 01:02:21 best one like like it has the perfect formula
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25 for what a screen movie is and i and and that's
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28 why i honestly think like you have good screen
01:02:28 --> 01:02:30 movies after that, but it's going to, I don't
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 think you'll ever reach that point anymore because
01:02:32 --> 01:02:35 it's been done. It's been perfected. I actually
01:02:35 --> 01:02:38 also asked Redditors about this. Like what does
01:02:38 --> 01:02:42 scream mean to them? And I got a few good responses
01:02:42 --> 01:02:44 here that I'm going to read throughout. This
01:02:44 --> 01:02:47 one, Alan, he wrote, see and scream 1996 in theaters
01:02:47 --> 01:02:50 as a young teen and not at all expecting the
01:02:50 --> 01:02:53 possibilities of there being two killers. Spoiler
01:02:53 --> 01:02:56 alert. That just hadn't entered my mind as a
01:02:56 --> 01:03:00 possibility. Haha. Little did I know that that
01:03:00 --> 01:03:03 would be a staple of the series. He continues
01:03:03 --> 01:03:07 with, and the excitement of seeing it go from
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 flop, which is true, on opening weekend to a
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12 huge hit the weekend right after that. Similar
01:03:12 --> 01:03:15 to how obsession just kept making crazy amounts
01:03:15 --> 01:03:18 of cash, except it never flopped. It was a successful
01:03:18 --> 01:03:22 from the start. I don't. think when he mentioned
01:03:22 --> 01:03:24 obsession, I kind of want to bring that up because
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 we're just talking about it. I don't think obsession
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28 has proven to be a flop. Obviously, like Scream
01:03:28 --> 01:03:32 is still making money 30 years later. I'm a big
01:03:32 --> 01:03:35 Scream fan. I love a good writing. Some people
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 are like, Oh, horror doesn't need to have good
01:03:37 --> 01:03:39 writing. Okay, well for you, for me, it kind
01:03:39 --> 01:03:44 of does. I think Kevin, Kevin Williamson, he
01:03:44 --> 01:03:48 was probably the best horror writer of those
01:03:48 --> 01:03:52 four years, I guess, 1995 through it came out
01:03:52 --> 01:03:55 in 96, but from like 95 all the way to probably
01:03:55 --> 01:04:00 2000, he was probably the most successful writer
01:04:00 --> 01:04:03 when it came to horror during that time. And
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 I feel like his writing, that's probably one
01:04:05 --> 01:04:08 of the reasons this film has lasted so long.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:12 And I feel like that will never leave my top
01:04:12 --> 01:04:16 four ever. Because it is so well done. It's a
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19 horror movie, but it's cinematic. It has it has
01:04:19 --> 01:04:22 great sound It has great dialogue. It has everything
01:04:22 --> 01:04:29 a movie should have now For me the way that scream
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31 entered my life and I spoke about that was finding
01:04:31 --> 01:04:36 a VHS I know other people have found scream different
01:04:36 --> 01:04:39 ways What was your first interaction with scream
01:04:39 --> 01:04:42 my first interaction with scream? I mean to be
01:04:42 --> 01:04:45 honest I was probably so young. I mean, I started
01:04:45 --> 01:04:47 watching horror movies when I was like five years
01:04:47 --> 01:04:49 old, which probably isn't great for a five -year
01:04:49 --> 01:04:53 -old. But the first couple horror movies that
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 I watched, I know for a fact, are definitely
01:04:55 --> 01:04:58 Halloween. But I'm pretty sure The Blair Witch
01:04:58 --> 01:05:01 and Scream were like the two follow -ups to the
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03 Halloween franchise. So I watched Scream when
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 I was very young. So most likely it was on a
01:05:07 --> 01:05:09 VHS tape that was got from Blockbuster. Because
01:05:09 --> 01:05:12 when I was younger, I had a couple... you know
01:05:12 --> 01:05:14 VHS tapes and a couple things like Halloween
01:05:14 --> 01:05:17 one and two I had on VHS like I owned them but
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 a lot of the other horror movies that I watched
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22 were like I remember like it would be like a
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25 Friday or a weekend and like me and my parents
01:05:25 --> 01:05:29 would go to like a blockbuster and rent movies
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 and do that whole that whole thing so I'm pretty
01:05:31 --> 01:05:34 sure it probably stemmed from watching it from
01:05:34 --> 01:05:39 a from a blockbuster rental but yeah I mean that
01:05:39 --> 01:05:42 was probably like my My first experience with
01:05:42 --> 01:05:44 Scream is renting it from, like, a blockbuster
01:05:44 --> 01:05:47 and watching it when I was super young. And it's,
01:05:47 --> 01:05:49 again, you know, love in the horror genre. Even
01:05:49 --> 01:05:53 as a kid, Slashers have always been my favorite.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:56 I mean, you know, you watch that movie for the
01:05:56 --> 01:05:58 first time, and it sucks that you can only watch
01:05:58 --> 01:06:02 it for the first time one time because not knowing
01:06:02 --> 01:06:06 who the killer is and trying to figure out who
01:06:06 --> 01:06:09 the killer is and stuff like that, that... is
01:06:09 --> 01:06:12 also what I think, like, really makes that movie
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14 what it is when you watch that for the first
01:06:14 --> 01:06:17 time. It's trying to figure out who did it. Who
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19 is the killer? Like, you know, you have the scene
01:06:19 --> 01:06:23 where you think Billy is the killer, but then,
01:06:23 --> 01:06:26 you know, he ends up getting caught, and then
01:06:26 --> 01:06:29 she still gets the phone call. So it's like,
01:06:29 --> 01:06:32 then you're like, oh, no, it can't be him. Well...
01:06:33 --> 01:06:36 I have another one here. He asked me personally
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 to read it, even though I wanted him to send
01:06:38 --> 01:06:41 me an audio of this. And this is his experience
01:06:41 --> 01:06:44 of Scream. He said, I have a couple of memories
01:06:44 --> 01:06:46 watching the first movie to get prepared for
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49 five back in... Oh, okay. I thought he was running
01:06:49 --> 01:06:53 a 5K, my bad. So preparing for five, the fifth
01:06:53 --> 01:06:57 film in 2022. And I fell in love with the franchise.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:59 And my second favorite memory is actually seeing
01:06:59 --> 01:07:02 Scream 7 in theaters. It was the best theater
01:07:02 --> 01:07:04 experience I've ever had. Seeing the audience
01:07:04 --> 01:07:06 clapping and seeing the theater decorated with
01:07:06 --> 01:07:09 Ghostface merch and seeing little kids in Ghostface
01:07:09 --> 01:07:12 masks made my day. And that's why Scream 7 will
01:07:12 --> 01:07:16 have a special place in my heart. I know I have,
01:07:16 --> 01:07:20 you know, my reservations with Scream 7. But,
01:07:20 --> 01:07:24 you know, some people might love it. You know,
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 I... personally not but when you have that kind
01:07:26 --> 01:07:32 of experience it does make the franchise even
01:07:32 --> 01:07:33 more special because everyone is discovering
01:07:33 --> 01:07:37 the scream at their own time I had another guy
01:07:37 --> 01:07:39 comment and I thought I took a screenshot of
01:07:39 --> 01:07:46 that and he told me that one of his best memories
01:07:46 --> 01:07:49 of watching scream was renting the VHS with his
01:07:49 --> 01:07:53 best friend and you know they would burned that
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55 VHS and trust me, I know what that is because
01:07:55 --> 01:07:59 you know, I burned basically my first VHS of
01:07:59 --> 01:08:02 Scream and him and his best friend would just
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05 burn it through and then just stop it, repeat,
01:08:05 --> 01:08:08 stop it, repeat. And it's still a memory for
01:08:08 --> 01:08:10 him because his best friend passed away. They're
01:08:10 --> 01:08:12 still pretty young. His best friend passed away
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 a few years ago and he still holds that memory
01:08:16 --> 01:08:20 of them just watching the same VHS over and over
01:08:20 --> 01:08:22 and over. And you know, I told him that that's
01:08:22 --> 01:08:25 that's even more powerful than, you know, just
01:08:25 --> 01:08:27 criticizing or having an opinion on the movie.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:30 It's just like, now this movie is part of your
01:08:30 --> 01:08:32 childhood and your adulthood because, you know,
01:08:32 --> 01:08:35 you lost your friend, but you still have that
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 memory. There's a lot of different screams, even
01:08:38 --> 01:08:40 though we're celebrating the anniversary of the
01:08:40 --> 01:08:44 30th. But from all these screams, which one has
01:08:44 --> 01:08:47 been your favorite ghost face? I'll put it to
01:08:47 --> 01:08:51 you this way. Number one is always going to have
01:08:51 --> 01:08:53 my favorites again because Matthew Lillard is
01:08:53 --> 01:08:56 I just love him as an actor and to be honest
01:08:56 --> 01:09:00 It's just he plays such a nutty psychotic role
01:09:00 --> 01:09:02 in that. You know what I mean? The other one
01:09:02 --> 01:09:07 would probably be Scream four in my honest opinion.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:13 I agree. I I again screen two I like it screen
01:09:13 --> 01:09:17 three. I like it five and six. I just can't get
01:09:17 --> 01:09:20 behind Like ever ever since five not that I thought
01:09:20 --> 01:09:22 five was bad. I actually like scream five and
01:09:22 --> 01:09:27 I like scream six but Ever since like five and
01:09:27 --> 01:09:30 six and one the killer reveals. I feel like they
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33 just keep getting worse Yeah, like every movie
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35 it just keeps getting worse and i'm like, okay
01:09:35 --> 01:09:38 now we're really we're really struggling here
01:09:38 --> 01:09:41 But I think four was a pretty solid to be honest.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:44 Like four was pretty solid I agree. I kind of
01:09:44 --> 01:09:48 had my suspicions on one of them You know The
01:09:48 --> 01:09:50 one who wants to be the sole survivor, but the
01:09:50 --> 01:09:54 other one did take me by surprise the accomplice
01:09:54 --> 01:09:58 That one took me by surprise but like you said
01:09:58 --> 01:10:03 they get so Messy lately with the reveals that
01:10:03 --> 01:10:06 up to the point that seven was just a joke when
01:10:06 --> 01:10:10 it came to reveals is like wait What? Like, who
01:10:10 --> 01:10:12 are you? Like, at this point, it's like, who
01:10:12 --> 01:10:15 are you? It's getting to the point where it's
01:10:15 --> 01:10:17 like strangers. You're like, dude, I haven't
01:10:17 --> 01:10:18 seen you the whole movie. What are you doing?
01:10:18 --> 01:10:20 At one point, it's going to be the cameraman.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:24 Like, oh, yeah. It's like, oh, it's the cameraman.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:26 It's like sometimes when you're watching Scooby
01:10:26 --> 01:10:28 -Doo and you're like, but wait, that person was
01:10:28 --> 01:10:30 not in the episode the entire time. It's the
01:10:30 --> 01:10:33 guy from the museum or the guy that you saw one
01:10:33 --> 01:10:35 time in the background. So I feel like that's
01:10:35 --> 01:10:38 how Seven felt. It felt very Scooby -Doo. It
01:10:38 --> 01:10:40 was, it was like, I mean, if you go from five
01:10:40 --> 01:10:44 to seven, it is a progressive downward spiral.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:46 It is a progressive downward spiral. I was hoping
01:10:46 --> 01:10:49 they could pull the plane up and change trajectory,
01:10:49 --> 01:10:52 but unfortunately it just got worse. Now I remember
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54 who the six one were. There were so many. I'm
01:10:54 --> 01:10:57 like, I feel like they had to add more people
01:10:57 --> 01:10:59 every time. I'm like, you went from three on
01:10:59 --> 01:11:02 the six. And how many did the seven had? Was
01:11:02 --> 01:11:05 it also three or four? Seven was three. Seven
01:11:05 --> 01:11:07 was three. Oh, okay. Three. I was so confused
01:11:07 --> 01:11:09 by the end. I had no idea what was happening.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:13 I know. I know. It's a sad reality, but unfortunately,
01:11:13 --> 01:11:17 they just couldn't get it. For someone who has
01:11:17 --> 01:11:20 never seen Scream, what would you tell them?
01:11:20 --> 01:11:23 What would I tell them about Scream? I mean,
01:11:23 --> 01:11:27 I would say, watch the first three and then take
01:11:27 --> 01:11:29 your time. That's what I would tell them. Watch
01:11:29 --> 01:11:32 the first three. Take your time and that three
01:11:32 --> 01:11:35 is a hidden gem. I don't care what people say
01:11:35 --> 01:11:39 three for me is such an underrated Scream movie
01:11:39 --> 01:11:42 and it's because yeah, you only got one killer
01:11:42 --> 01:11:46 But I feel like the story is easier to follow.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:48 It's a little bit more dramatic Do you have a
01:11:48 --> 01:11:51 lot of family drama in that film? So I feel like
01:11:51 --> 01:11:55 that's why scream three works differently for
01:11:55 --> 01:11:58 me because it's a total different perspective
01:11:58 --> 01:12:01 of, okay, where can we take this film? Not space,
01:12:01 --> 01:12:04 please, not space. But somehow they're apparently
01:12:04 --> 01:12:08 going to London and the 8th, which Hey, as long
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 as he has an accent, I'm fine. Just give him
01:12:10 --> 01:12:13 a British accent. No, no, no, no. That would
01:12:13 --> 01:12:15 be absolutely wild. I tell you what, if Scream
01:12:15 --> 01:12:18 ever goes to space, I'm done watching him. I
01:12:18 --> 01:12:20 mean, I'm done doing it. I'm done doing it. I've
01:12:20 --> 01:12:23 watched it with Jason. That's good enough. Okay.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:25 But I feel like in London, you have to give the
01:12:25 --> 01:12:27 guy an accent, you know, maybe, you know, he
01:12:27 --> 01:12:29 just sits down with a cup of tea and plants his
01:12:29 --> 01:12:33 next kill, but it has to be culturally appropriate.
01:12:34 --> 01:12:37 If they're going to London. I want to know who
01:12:37 --> 01:12:39 the hell is Ghostface going after? Like who is
01:12:39 --> 01:12:42 the main character? Is it Sydney? Is Sydney coming
01:12:42 --> 01:12:46 back again? Is she in London now? I don't know.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:51 I tell you, it pains me. It pains me because
01:12:51 --> 01:12:57 Seven was an opportunity to fix course and put
01:12:57 --> 01:13:00 yourself back on solid ground for another couple
01:13:00 --> 01:13:05 sequels. And they really... They really should
01:13:05 --> 01:13:07 have been like, I can't even believe how much
01:13:07 --> 01:13:09 I feel like they should have been on scream seven.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:14 They did. But John, thank you so much for talking
01:13:14 --> 01:13:16 about obsession with me as a film. Everybody
01:13:16 --> 01:13:19 has been obsessed over and I really wanted to
01:13:19 --> 01:13:22 get my word out there and know your perspective
01:13:22 --> 01:13:25 on that because there was a lot to say. And I
01:13:25 --> 01:13:28 also thank you for helping me kick start this
01:13:28 --> 01:13:32 tribute that. I want to do as a Scream fan for
01:13:32 --> 01:13:35 this amazing movie, this cult classic that has
01:13:35 --> 01:13:38 been haunting me for my entire life. Whether
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41 you love it or not, you have to admit this is
01:13:41 --> 01:13:44 probably one of those horror films that has been
01:13:44 --> 01:13:48 a staple, especially during this past 25 to 30
01:13:48 --> 01:13:51 years in horror. A lot of people try to recreate
01:13:51 --> 01:13:54 Scream. A lot of people try to recreate the horror
01:13:54 --> 01:13:57 that Screamer presents, but you're not with Scraven
01:13:57 --> 01:13:59 and it's not going to happen. He's still my favorite
01:13:59 --> 01:14:02 horror director. That's why I really wanted to
01:14:02 --> 01:14:05 do this tribute throughout the year. I want to
01:14:05 --> 01:14:07 kickstart it with you because I know you're a
01:14:07 --> 01:14:10 good horror fan. You don't have a biased opinion.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:13 I have a biased opinion on Scream. I know you're
01:14:13 --> 01:14:15 a Halloween fan. If we ever do a Halloween, you
01:14:15 --> 01:14:21 know, 50th anniversary, is it? You can host that.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:24 You can host that. But I really thank you for
01:14:24 --> 01:14:26 helping me kickstart this Tribute for Scream.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:28 I'm going to be quoting, I'm going to have some
01:14:28 --> 01:14:32 audios from collectors, film lovers, horror lovers
01:14:32 --> 01:14:34 throughout the year. And I'm going to wrap it
01:14:34 --> 01:14:38 up in December with an episode, which is just
01:14:38 --> 01:14:41 all the quotes, all the audios, and hopefully
01:14:41 --> 01:14:44 some of the videos from these horror collectors.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:48 everybody who gets in touch with me, who wants
01:14:48 --> 01:14:50 to send me stuff about Scream, you're welcome
01:14:50 --> 01:14:53 to do so. You can send it to my Instagram or
01:14:53 --> 01:14:55 you can go to krpotlab .com. You can also send
01:14:55 --> 01:14:58 me voicemails there. What Scream means to you,
01:14:58 --> 01:15:01 I would love to know. And if you let me, I will
01:15:01 --> 01:15:03 play your audio here. It's much better than me
01:15:03 --> 01:15:05 quoting, but thank you so much, John. John, please
01:15:05 --> 01:15:07 let the people know where they can find you.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:11 Absolutely. I am on Instagram. You can find me
01:15:11 --> 01:15:15 at Spooky Season 95. That is SPKY underscore
01:15:15 --> 01:15:20 SZN 95. And on there, I basically just kind of
01:15:20 --> 01:15:23 share my collection and love for horror. Awesome.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:26 Any horror since we're talking about cult classics,
01:15:27 --> 01:15:30 before we go, any horror that you recommend to
01:15:30 --> 01:15:34 our listeners? Hmm. I would say watch the movie
01:15:34 --> 01:15:38 Intruder. I watched that recently and I like
01:15:38 --> 01:15:41 that one a lot. So watch the movie intruder.
01:15:41 --> 01:15:43 I'm gonna have to watch it because I heard about
01:15:43 --> 01:15:45 that movie and somebody said it was creepy as
01:15:45 --> 01:15:47 hell. But thank you so much, John, for being
01:15:47 --> 01:15:50 here with me today. Taking a lot of your time.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:53 I know it's a hot day out, but if you're listening
01:15:53 --> 01:15:55 to this, hopefully you're in the AC. Thank you
01:15:55 --> 01:15:57 for listening to the physical cut. You can follow
01:15:57 --> 01:16:00 me at the physical cut pot on Instagram. Or like
01:16:00 --> 01:16:03 I said, you can visit k r p o d l a b. That's
01:16:03 --> 01:16:06 k r pot lab .com. Send me messages, get in touch
01:16:06 --> 01:16:08 with me. Tell me what horror movies I should
01:16:08 --> 01:16:11 be watching. If I shouldn't be watching as much
01:16:11 --> 01:16:14 scream as I do. But I thank you so much for joining
01:16:14 --> 01:16:17 us today. I will see you guys next time.